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Old 09-30-2013, 04:39 PM  
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Moderate House Republicans may Revolt Tonight

New York Republicans Peter King and Michael Grimm have apparently whipped their colleagues and discovered that they have at least 25 republicans willing to join the Democrats to sign and enact a discharge petition. (For those who don't know what a discharge petition is, they are very rare since it basically requires rebelling against the house leadership. If a discharge petition has enough signatures, then a bill is forced to the house floor for a vote).

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Old 09-30-2013, 11:05 PM   #46
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This. Most Young people I know who identify as republican crave fiscally conservative and socially liberal candidates. The more familiar GOP base is literally dying off.
Same as what I see.. and I say good riddance.
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Old 09-30-2013, 11:14 PM   #47
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Sorry, but the Republicans with their

Nate Silver denialism
Evolution denialism
Climate change denialism
Demographic denialism
Sara Palinism
Michelle Bachmanism

doesn't have any claim to brainpower at the moment.
When Obama, Biden, Reid and Pelosi are your power brokers, well.....
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:02 AM   #48
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I don't know. How many people change political parties?
Studies have shown that people can go either way until they become politically aware. At that point they tend to identify with one party and stay there. Most of the conservatives I know didn't really start thinking about politics until 35 or later. More like 50 with all my baby boomer relatives.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:25 AM   #49
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Studies have shown that people can go either way until they become politically aware. At that point they tend to identify with one party and stay there. Most of the conservatives I know didn't really start thinking about politics until 35 or later. More like 50 with all my baby boomer relatives.
I started getting into politics in my teens. I was thirteen when Reagan was elected, and I credit his personality for awakening my interest. I never have found a political party that I completely agree with but I have to come to realize that I have always been an actual conservative.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:31 AM   #50
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This. Most Young people I know who identify as republican crave fiscally conservative and socially liberal candidates. The more familiar GOP base is literally dying off.
I think there is a very lage group of people who identify with fiscally conservative and socially liberal candidates. It is not just the young people~
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:34 AM   #51
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This. Most Young people I know who identify as republican crave fiscally conservative and socially liberal candidates. The more familiar GOP base is literally dying off.
I don't identify as Republican but this is what I want.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:45 AM   #52
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I don't identify as Republican but this is what I want.
I'd guess that 80% of the people I know fall into this category. The exceptions are the uber religious.
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:01 AM   #53
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According to the Washington Examiner, roughly 3/4 of house republicans would vote for a clean CR.

How 30 House Republicans are forcing the Obamacare fight


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"Analysts say the Congressional GOP doesn't understand strategy," the Republican said. "I'm like, 'Congressional GOP' my ass! It's 30 idiots who can't get us to 217."
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"This is a process that Boehner is going through to get to that point," says the GOP strategist. The speaker has bent over backwards to give the most committed members of his party their say. After another defeat or two, and under the pressure of a shutdown, Boehner will finally turn to the 30 and say, "We tried it your way, over and over. Now, the majority will pass a resolution."
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Old 10-02-2013, 06:40 AM   #54
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Remember the American Revolution was started by the few too. Like 2%. About 5% watched and many didn't even know what was happening.
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Old 10-02-2013, 06:57 AM   #55
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"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, that's all who ever have." ~ Margaret Mead


Remember the American Revolution was started by the few too. Like 2%. About 5% watched and many didn't even know what was happening.
I find it difficult to believe, as compacted as we were that members of the 13 colonies didn't know there was a war going on.
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Old 10-02-2013, 07:49 AM   #56
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If the GOP would kick out the birthers, the baggers, and the religious zelics and preach fiscal responsibility with socially liberal ideals they could possibly turn on new and younger voters. .I would give them a shot. Until the moderate Republicans take back their party most of us will stayed tuned out to what they have to say.
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Old 10-02-2013, 07:55 AM   #57
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Sorry, but the Republicans with their

Nate Silver denialism
Evolution denialism
Climate change denialism
Demographic denialism
Sara Palinism
Michelle Bachmanism

doesn't have any claim to brainpower at the moment.
Are you suggesting that Nate Silver is infallible? Or that a majority of Republicans deny evolution or climate change? And what is this demographic denialism that you mention? I think you need to get out of your liberal media bubble for a while.
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Old 10-02-2013, 07:56 AM   #58
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If the GOP would kick out the birthers, the baggers, and the religious zelics and preach fiscal responsibility with socially liberal ideals they could possibly turn on new and younger voters. .I would give them a shot. Until the moderate Republicans take back their party most of us will stayed tuned out to what they have to say.
They cannot win a single election if they do that. Socons make up a large percentage of the Repub party. Remove them and the party simply no longer exists. The GOP comes out as agnostic toward abortion and I promise you they simply never win another election.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:01 AM   #59
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Are you suggesting that Nate Silver is infallible? Or that a majority of Republicans deny evolution or climate change? And what is this demographic denialism that you mention? I think you need to get out of your liberal media bubble for a while.
Nate Silver is right far more than he is wrong. And you, I suspect know it.

A majority of repubs also deny climate change http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-...warming-a-hoax

A majority of republicans also deny evolution http://www.gallup.com/poll/27847/maj...evolution.aspx

I think you need to get out of your conservative media bubble for a bit.
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I hate the term "fiscally conservative and socially liberal" because I don't think it means the same thing to all the people who use it.

Is expanding our entitlement programs to "help" more people while raising taxes to maintain it's solvency fiscally conservative and socially liberal? I bet there are a lot of people who would say yes and a lot of people who would consider it the opposite.
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