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Old 09-30-2013, 04:39 PM  
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Moderate House Republicans may Revolt Tonight

New York Republicans Peter King and Michael Grimm have apparently whipped their colleagues and discovered that they have at least 25 republicans willing to join the Democrats to sign and enact a discharge petition. (For those who don't know what a discharge petition is, they are very rare since it basically requires rebelling against the house leadership. If a discharge petition has enough signatures, then a bill is forced to the house floor for a vote).

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Old 10-02-2013, 08:27 AM   #61
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Nate Silver is right far more than he is wrong. And you, I suspect know it.
Yes, he has a very good track record. Does that mean that if you doubt him on a specific issue/analysis that you lack brainpower?

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A majority of repubs also deny climate change http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-...warming-a-hoax
Maybe. I'm not sure what the results of that poll mean. I think it's pretty undeniable that there are hoaxes involved in the climate change industry. Al Gore's exaggerations and data manipulation scandals have been pretty widely publicized. That said, I wonder how many of the 58% who said they believe global warming is a hoax actually believe that there has been no warming over the past several decades (even if they believe we haven't seen continued warming in recent years). I'll give you this one, but I think some of it is really more legitimate skepticism than head-in-the-sand denialism.

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A majority of republicans also deny evolution http://www.gallup.com/poll/27847/maj...evolution.aspx
This one surprises me. I had no idea there were as many democrats who believed in spontaneous creationism (as opposed to God-guided evolution or plain evolution) as there are (41%). Similarly, I wouldn't have guessed that 58% of Republicans held the same belief. It doesn't seem like democrats have that much to crow about here.

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I think you need to get out of your conservative media bubble for a bit.
Yeah, apparently. At least with respect to the creationism issue. It seems to be pretty rampant.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:47 AM   #62
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If the GOP would kick out the birthers, the baggers, and the religious zelics and preach fiscal responsibility with socially liberal ideals they could possibly turn on new and younger voters. .I would give them a shot. Until the moderate Republicans take back their party most of us will stayed tuned out to what they have to say.
I used to be a republican (still am a registered one) till all of the above iinvaded the party. **** those guys.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:49 AM   #63
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Start you own party the republicans don't want or need you.
No, the "elite RINO Dem Lites" don't need you.
Still pulling the same BS since Jerry Ford and what IS killing the GOP. RINO elites never win anything but 'Conservatism' always wins !!! And please George Bush I won in 88 riding the coat tails of the Reagan Era not on his own merit of Dem Lite RINOism
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:51 AM   #64
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I hate the term "fiscally conservative and socially liberal" because I don't think it means the same thing to all the people who use it.
It's an oxymoron as well.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:53 AM   #65
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No, the "elite RINO Dem Lites" don't need you.
I would say these guys need Dave.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:54 AM   #66
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I won't defend Pilosi and don't need to given that the Republicans appear to be proud to be the anti-science party.
Yeah, sounds like a one-issue voter speaking.
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:49 PM   #67
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I hate the term "fiscally conservative and socially liberal" because I don't think it means the same thing to all the people who use it.

Is expanding our entitlement programs to "help" more people while raising taxes to maintain it's solvency fiscally conservative and socially liberal? I bet there are a lot of people who would say yes and a lot of people who would consider it the opposite.
It means stop blocking gay rights, stop defying climate change is real, help out those who need help. The Republican party has no issue with corporate welfare or giving huge tax breaks to companies who don't contribute their fares share of taxes, yet continue to attack programs that help the poor.
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:59 PM   #68
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It means stop blocking gay rights, stop defying climate change is real, help out those who need help. The Republican party has no issue with corporate welfare or giving huge tax breaks to companies who don't contribute their fares share of taxes, yet continue to attack programs that help the poor.
Like I said, it doesn't mean the same thing to different people.
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Old 10-02-2013, 02:01 PM   #69
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It means stop blocking gay rights, stop defying climate change is real, help out those who need help. The Republican party has no issue with corporate welfare or giving huge tax breaks to companies who don't contribute their fares share of taxes, yet continue to attack programs that help the poor.
by corporate welfare do you mean big businesses getting a waiver and\or delay on Obamacare while individuals do not???
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Old 10-02-2013, 02:07 PM   #70
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It means stop blocking gay rights, stop defying climate change is real, help out those who need help. The Republican party has no issue with corporate welfare or giving huge tax breaks to companies who don't contribute their fares share of taxes, yet continue to attack programs that help the poor.
Last time I checked, it was Obama who was giving the big corporations huge breaks and advantages by letting them delay Obamacare for a year, while regular American citizens get to pay a tax penalty if they don't enroll.
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The Republican party has no issue with corporate welfare or giving huge tax breaks to companies who don't contribute their fares share of taxes, yet continue to attack programs that help the poor.
It is these companies that get these tax breaks that help keep people with jobs. A fair number of people getting government assistance are doing nothing other than collecting a check for being lazy or taking advantage of the system. At least the companies create jobs and goods or services we need.
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Old 10-02-2013, 02:45 PM   #72
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Last time I checked, it was Obama who was giving the big corporations huge breaks and advantages by letting them delay Obamacare for a year, while regular American citizens get to pay a tax penalty if they don't enroll.
And he had no problem tossing obscene piles of cash to green companies who offered little employment and faded into the sunset with pockets full laughing out loud~
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If the GOP would kick out the birthers, the baggers, and the religious zelics and preach fiscal responsibility with socially liberal ideals they could possibly turn on new and younger voters. .I would give them a shot. Until the moderate Republicans take back their party most of us will stayed tuned out to what they have to say.
, if the Repubs would just become Obama loving, liberals with better spending habits then we would all love them.
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