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Old 10-01-2013, 10:37 AM  
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Has anybody actually been affected by the shut down yet?

Do we have any furloughed government workers posting?

Anybody sucking a living off the government teat worried about that next welfare check rolling in?

Anybody having to rethink that scheduled trip to the Grand Canyon next week?

Let's hear about it.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:27 PM   #46
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It's more than likely the bullshit study that came from a rightwing think tank that completely screwed with the CBO's report.

When you hide the link, which you already have, it just shows that you don't want your bullshit source pointed out.
when you lead an argument with tell me your source because if it is what I think it is, it is wrong, you don't have any facts to back up your claim. There are ton's of reports out there that say the same thing. I know you have nothing else to do, so show me what your sources say......I never knew until now why a majority of people on this site consider you a jack ass.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:37 PM   #47
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when you lead an argument with tell me your source because if it is what I think it is, it is wrong. There are ton's of reports out there that say the same thing. I know you have nothing else to do, so show me what your sources say......I never knew until now why a majority of people on this site consider you a jack ass.
When someone puts up a claim that government workers are paid higher and then posts a graphic that purports to reinforce that claim, then the aforementioned person should give the link.

Anyone can make a table to say whatever the person wants that doesn't make it accurate.

You're the jackass for trying to obfuscate the source. It only makes your position appear worse by continuing to avoid mentioning the source. Claiming "tons of reports" support the information without providing a single one of them just show how weak your argument is.

Please point out your "tons of reports" that say the same thing. I bet they are all put out by AEI, Heritage, and Cato.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:44 PM   #48
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according to federal news and Congressional budget office:



Total compensation



  • Federal employees whose highest level of education was a high school diploma earned an average of 36 percent more in total compensation compared to private-sector employees
  • Federal employees with bachelor's degrees earned an average of 15 percent more in total compensation compared to their private-sector counterparts.
  • Federal employees with professional or doctorate degrees, however, earned 18 percent less in total compensation compared to private-sector workers of similar education levels.

Overall, federal employees earned 16 percent more in total compensation than their private-sector counterparts.


You'll never convince liberal doofuses like Native of Cosmo that government is negative in any way. It's their religion and why they continue to embarrass themselves thread after thread.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:45 PM   #49
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When someone puts up a claim that government workers are paid higher and then posts a graphic that purports to reinforce that claim, then the aforementioned person should give the link.

Anyone can make a table to say whatever the person wants that doesn't make it accurate.

You're the jackass for trying to obfuscate the source. It only makes your position appear worse by continuing to avoid mentioning the source. Claiming "tons of reports" support the information without providing a single one of them just show how weak your argument is.

Please point out your "tons of reports" that say the same thing. I bet they are all put out by AEI, Heritage, and Cato.
you need to dispute with the data that says otherwise.....you think you know where it came from....I said state where then I would post the link.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:48 PM   #50
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From the article in this link...holy shit! That number seems awful high.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:57 PM   #51
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:58 PM   #52
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Do we have any furloughed government workers posting?

Anybody sucking a living off the government teat worried about that next welfare check rolling in?

Anybody having to rethink that scheduled trip to the Grand Canyon next week?

Let's hear about it.

Someone I know is a civilian who works for the military in the IT space. This morning they went in and had to wait around on pins and needles until they determined who was exempt and who was furloughed. He was "exempt", which means he gets to keep his job, got "promoted" to "project manager" and now gets to do probably 3x the work for no increase in pay since most of the rest of his team is furloughed.

Which means a bunch of IT folks who have security clearances and probably backbone support to our military are now wondering if/when they will have jobs again, or if they should go job hunting.

I'm STRONGLY in favor of cutting government spending, but this is just a ****ing stupid way to do it.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:59 PM   #53
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Govt employees are grossly overpaid. Hope this lasts a month so the 12% pay cut brings them at least a little closer in line to their private sector peers.

While their benefits are generally better, the pay generally isn't. I'd like to see what evidence you cite for this statement.
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Someone I know is a civilian who works for the military in the IT space. This morning they went in and had to wait around on pins and needles until they determined who was exempt and who was furloughed. He was "exempt", which means he gets to keep his job, got "promoted" to "project manager" and now gets to do probably 3x the work for no increase in pay since most of the rest of his team is furloughed.

Which means a bunch of IT folks who have security clearances and probably backbone support to our military are now wondering if/when they will have jobs again, or if they should go job hunting.

I'm STRONGLY in favor of cutting government spending, but this is just a ****ing stupid way to do it.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:02 PM   #55
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It's more than likely the bullshit study that came from a rightwing think tank that completely screwed with the CBO's report.

When you hide the link, which you already have, it just shows that you don't want your bullshit source pointed out.
This appears to be his source: govloop.com/profiles/blogs/the-federal-pay-debate

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There has been a lot of chatter around the salaries and benefits of public servants.

Like every debate, there are two sides. We recently attended a panel discussion, organized by the Coalition for Effective Change (CEC), which brought this issue to the forefront by bringing together three of the biggest players in the debate: Congressional Budget Office (CBO), think tank and a member of the Federal Salary Council.

The CBO in a recent report about federal pay found that:

On Wages

Federal civilian workers with no more than a high school education earned about 21 percent more, on average, than similar workers in the private sector
Workers whose highest level of education was a bachelor’s degree earned roughly the same hourly wages, on average, in both the federal government and the private sector.
Federal workers with a professional degree or doctorate earned about 23 percent less, on average, than their private-sector counterparts.

On Benefits

Average benefits for federal workers with no more than a high school diploma were 72 percent higher than for their private-sector counterparts.
Average benefits for federal workers whose education ended in a bachelor’s degree were 46 percent higher than for similar workers in the private sector.
Workers with a professional degree or doctorate received roughly the same level of average benefits in both sectors.

On Total Compensation

Federal civilian employees with no more than a high school education averaged 36 percent higher total compensation than similar private-sector employees.
Federal workers whose education culminated in a bachelor’s degree averaged 15 percent higher total compensation than their private-sector counterparts.
Federal employees with a professional degree or doctorate received 18 percent lower total compensation than their private-sector counterparts, on average.

Meanwhile, the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) also conducted a study of federal work pay and concluded that:

Compared to similar private sector workers, we estimate that federal workers receive a salary premium of 14 percent, a benefits premium of 63 percent, and extra job security worth 17 percent of pay. Together, these generate an overall federal compensation premium of approximately 61 percent.

The Federal Salary Council, which is tasked with examining regularly the pay of federal employees and making recommendations, also conducted its own study. The results were:

On average, its [federal] employees are underpaid by 26.3 percent compared with similar non-federal jobs, a “pay gap” that increased by about 2 percentage points over last year while federal salary rates were frozen.

Federal pay has long been a controversial topic with the results depending on the question asked and the methodology used to find the answer. And ASPA has been attentive to this issue as part of its policy engagement. In 2010, ASPA experts submitted the results of a study on federal pay comparability to the Office of Personnel Management (OPM). In that report, ASPA recommends:

With an emphasis on the more technical aspects of federal pay setting, these recommendations include amending the current policy of across-the-board pay adjustments to allow for disaggregated pay increases by grade level and expanding the within grade salary range from 30 percent to 40 percent or higher.

This was crystal clear when Andrew Biggs, resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and co-author of the study quoted above; Joseph Kile of the CBO and Rex Facer, an ASPA member and member of the Federal Salary Council, came together on the CEC panel.

Rising resentment over this perceived inequality appears to have fostered some anti-public servant sentiments. And in some cases, as became visible by the questions from the audience, some skepticism from retired and current federal employees.

The former believe that federal employee salaries should be leveled with equal jobs in the private sector. While the latter contend that public servants are not usually adequately compensated for the work that is done.

The answer seems to be right down the middle. As the New York Times noted:

Less-educated federal workers make a bit more than their private-sector counterparts and receive more generous benefits. Workers with a complete or incomplete college education or a master’s degree tend to make about the same amount, again with more generous benefits. But highly educated federal workers earn less than their peers in the private sector.
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when you lead an argument with tell me your source because if it is what I think it is, it is wrong, you don't have any facts to back up your claim. There are ton's of reports out there that say the same thing. I know you have nothing else to do, so show me what your sources say......I never knew until now why a majority of people on this site consider you a jack ass.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:10 PM   #59
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you need to dispute with the data that says otherwise.....you think you know where it came from....I said state where then I would post the link.
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Found it. It came from the CBO report directly.

What's interesting is you fail to note the BLS's study from a few months prior to the CBO's study (which the CBO noted the difficulty in making comparisons) , that indicates that public sector employees earn 26% less.

Surprised you didn't throat gop talking points like everyone else and go with Heritage's complete nonsense of public sector employees making 61% more than private sector.

Who do you think would do a better job of making pay comparisons? The BLS or the CBO?
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