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Old 10-01-2013, 01:13 PM  
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US Government Shutdown: blame whoever spent all the money

This is a pretty hilarious recounting of how we got here from The Telegraph...

US Government Shutdown: don't blame the Republicans – blame whoever spent all the money

Okay, so let's get the mainstream media analysis of the looming shutdown out of the way first. The House Republicans are led by a moderate weakling (Boehner) who is being held hostage by a gaggle of Tea Party crazies determined to destroy a humanitarian law known as Obamacare that is a once-in-a-lifetime chance to rescue us from disease, poverty, global warming and Robin Thicke. Obama (Father of the Nation and possibly Jesus, but he's too humble to admit it) and the lions of the Senate are standing their ground.

And so the Federal Government faces catastrophe because a GOP alliance of cowards and loons won't see reason and bend to the public will as represented by the glorious Democrats. Prepare yourself for society to collapse as museum workers don't turn up for work in the morning…

The reality is that this crisis has been caused by two things: a) overspending and b) the Constitution of the United States. On the overspend, the US has reached this point of crisis because it has failed to curtail spending effectively – and it has failed to do that because Democrats have consistently refused to make genuinely tough choices (the dreaded sequester was, itself, a plan to delay making a plan that has now started catching up with the President who called for a sequester in the first place).

I could recite all those big debt numbers that run into hundreds of zeroes but for a simpler sense of the madness consider the spending spree that has been going on in just the past few days. In a dash to "use it or lose it", The Washington Post reports that,
This past week, the Department of Veterans Affairs bought $562,000 worth of artwork. In a single day, the Agriculture Department spent $144,000 on toner cartridges. And, in a single purchase, the Coast Guard spent $178,000 on “Cubicle Furniture Rehab.”
Why the heck does the Agriculture Department require so much toner? Is it 3-D printing wheat? And, while we're at it, if we're being told that the shutdown will only affect "non-essential personnel" doesn't that imply that the US government currently employs a lot of "non-essential" people? If so, why?

Now spending wouldn't be a political issue if one party controlled all three branches of government, but it does not. The American people voted in 2012 for divided government, giving the presidency and Senate to the Democrats and the House to the Republicans. Republicans in the House are thus not only constitutionally entitled to opposed Democrat spending plans like Obamacare but they actually have both a mandate and a democratic responsibility to do so – a responsibility to represent the will of the people, a majority of whom are against Obamacare. We call this the American Way. A lot of observers don't seem to understand it, which is depressing.

You might say that the American Way is the wrong way, that political partisanship is heading towards a shutdown and – who knows? – the End of the World? But that's not what history teaches us. The US government has shut down SEVENTEEN times in the past. When it did so in 1996, the economy chugged along nicely without that bit of federal assistance and the end result was welfare reform. This from Bloomberg is revealing:
A quick check of the performance of the S&P 500 stock index during previous shutdowns suggests that equity prices might actually benefit from a brief suspension of federal government activities.
What a surprise. Life with a little less government activity is just fine.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ti...all-the-money/
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:35 PM   #2
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:47 PM   #3
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EXACTLY what I have been saying the last few days. ok maybe this guy says it much more eloquently.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:55 PM   #4
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The one thing democrats always avoid talking about is how they eventually will lose the argument when it comes to economic ideology. They can't avoid the numbers forever and Obama dem leadership have proven they know nothing about creating jobs and turning the economy around

The republican strategy of fighting that failed dem ideology will eventually pay off in the end.
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Old 10-01-2013, 02:15 PM   #5
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The reality is that this crisis has been caused by two things: a) overspending and b) the Constitution of the United States. On the overspend, the US has reached this point of crisis because it has failed to curtail spending effectively – and it has failed to do that because Democrats have consistently refused to make genuinely tough choices (the dreaded sequester was, itself, a plan to delay making a plan that has now started catching up with the President who called for a sequester in the first place).
Unwillingness to raise taxes also says hi.

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The Washington Post reports that, this past week, the Department of Veterans Affairs bought $562,000 worth of artwork. In a single day, the Agriculture Department spent $144,000 on toner cartridges. And, in a single purchase, the Coast Guard spent $178,000 on “Cubicle Furniture Rehab.”
How do those expenditures compare to, say, the annual cost of the F35 program?
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Old 10-01-2013, 02:58 PM   #6
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Unwillingness to raise taxes also says hi.
If you want to pay more taxes, feel free. I don't. They have way too much of our money already and have proven time and again that they can't be trusted with it.


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How do those expenditures compare to, say, the annual cost of the F35 program?
I'm all for cutting military spending, but you're asking them to compare what departments spent in a day on totally meaningless shit to the ANNUAL budget for a defense program. Again, I'm all for cutting the military, but you're just a liberal douche.
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Old 10-01-2013, 03:00 PM   #7
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Old 10-01-2013, 03:21 PM   #8
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And, while we're at it, if we're being told that the shutdown will only affect "non-essential personnel" doesn't that imply that the US government currently employs a lot of "non-essential" people? If so, why?
Best line of the whole piece. Well that and the 3D printing of wheat was a nice touch!
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Old 10-01-2013, 03:22 PM   #9
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How do those expenditures compare to, say, the annual cost of the F35 program?
Yeah, because taxes are so popular. This is why Obamacare was denied as being a tax, in order to pass it; then later defended as a tax, when it didn't need public approval just some govt workers in robes to do so. Liars.
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Old 10-01-2013, 03:25 PM   #10
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Old 10-01-2013, 03:52 PM   #11
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The one thing democrats always avoid talking about is how they eventually will lose the argument when it comes to economic ideology. They can't avoid the numbers forever and Obama dem leadership have proven they know nothing about creating jobs and turning the economy around

The republican strategy of fighting that failed dem ideology will eventually pay off in the end.
How many economic bills have the Republicans introduced in the House over the last two years?
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Old 10-01-2013, 04:01 PM   #12
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How many economic bills have the Republicans introduced in the House over the last two years?
You still don't get it do you? There is no need for a govt economic bill...unless it's just getting more govt out of the way. An economy runs by the people buying and selling in the private sector. They just need to be able to keep enough of their hard earned money to trade goods and services. So your question is an ignorant one.
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Old 10-01-2013, 04:08 PM   #13
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Well, I *can't* go into details, but this "democrats love to spend" crap "ahem, Bush", by using outrageous sticker prices is a huge red herring. Not saying there isn't government culpability, but I personally sat in on a meeting where we (yes, the dreaded U.S. Government) wanted to implement a beneficial system, that was held up by "powers that be" because of what is commonly referred to as "red tape". Now, everyone in the room knows the real reason this is being held up is because why would we want to do something effective and cost efficient when there's an outside contractor out there who will want to produce something similar and be rewarded with a sweet government contract for it?

"Capitalism", if you guys still want to call it that, coupled with their lobbyists are the reasons government cost on such things is sky high. You know, that "free enterprise" bullshit you guys like to sling around so much as the savior of everything. But, its much easier to just blame the government than the lobbyists greasing the wheels of the rich and corporate giants who look to fleece the taxpayer revenue.

I'm not saying a government is a saint by any means, but I notice a tendency to focus on only one aspect. It isn't government or corporations or socialism or capitalism that is destroying us. It is greed and hoarding. And what do the greedy and the hoarders do to distract us? They give you a scapegoat, whether its a large anonymous entity like "the U.S. Government" or entity unable to form a defense like "the poor", I'm sorry, "the Takers". Yeah, that's the big bogey man in all this, the people with none of the power or money.
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You still don't get it do you? There is no need for a govt economic bill...unless it's just getting more govt out of the way. An economy runs by the people buying and selling in the private sector. They just need to be able to keep enough of their hard earned money to trade goods and services. So your question is an ignorant one.
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