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Old 10-01-2013, 10:29 PM  
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Veterans break past World War II Memorial barricade

Busloads of World War II veterans, many in wheelchairs, broke past a barricade Tuesday morning to cross into the World War II Memorial, as onlookers applauded and a man playing the bagpipes led the way.

Moments earlier, a few Republican members of Congress had removed a section of the black gates that surrounded the site, allowing a line of veterans to roll past security officers, who willingly stood aside.



Veteran Donald Quinn of Pascagoula, Mississippi, said he was pleased with his visit to the memorial, despite the initial blockade.

"I'm surprised to see so many people here and so many important people, but I've enjoyed it," he said. "At first I didn't think I'd come, but I'm glad I did."

The National Park Service closed all of its parks, including national memorials, as a result of the federal government shutdown that went into effect at 12:01 a.m ET.

But a spokeswoman from the National Mall and Parks Service said efforts were no longer being made to hold anyone back.

"These are important visitors," Carol Johnson told reporters, adding that they're seeking guidance from the director's office on "where we go next."

"Obviously we did not want to do anything to mar the trip of these people," she said, saying the visitors came from Mississippi and Iowa. "They've come here specifically to see the memorial that was built for them."

Some Republican members of Congress and a Democratic senator were on site, blasting the federal government for fencing off the memorial. Outraged and baffled, Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, crossed through an opening in the railing earlier in the morning–before the breach–and got on the phone to try and reach the secretary of the Department of Interior.

"I don't get it. I'm furious. I'm trying to get a hold of people," he said, standing on the other side of the barricade and looking around for help. "But I can't seem to get a hold of anybody."

Harkin faulted Republicans for what he called their "nonsense" legislative push that led to the shutdown.

"Obviously I can walk here," Harkin said, as he walked past the barrier. "Why can't I walk there?" he added, pointing at the memorial located not far away.

A few House Republicans were also at the memorial to disparage the government for closing off the landmark on a day that veterans were set to arrive.

Rep. Steven Palazzo, one of the congressmen who helped move the gates, argued the decision to close the memorial may have been more of a political ploy than a bureaucratic oversight. The Mississippi Republican said it makes no sense to close an open-air monument and compared it to prohibiting someone from touching a tree.

"All Americans should have access to the monuments, but if there's one group, it's our greatest generation, and this might be the last opportunity in their lifetime to visit their memorial," he said.

"We've got park service employees out here," said Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, before the gates were opened. "Why wouldn't you have them here to allow the veterans in, instead of stand and keep them from coming in?"

Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, wearing casual clothes, said she was out walking when she heard about the pile-up outside the memorial and decided to hustle over to the site.

"The last thing we should see in America is a barricade for World War II veterans to be prevented from coming to their memorial," Bachmann said.

She vowed she and colleagues will be there "today, tomorrow, the next day, however long it takes" to keep the memorial open.

"America is not shutting down," she said. "If we have anything to say about it, we're going to keep this open."


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Old 10-02-2013, 08:46 AM   #16
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They may be there to keep the inevitable asshole from vandalism too...But yeah I hear you.
I understand that part of it, but if they can hire security to protect it, they can leave it open.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:48 AM   #17
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I understand that part of it, but if they can hire security to protect it, they can leave it open.
You'd certainly think so
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:26 AM   #18
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I understand that part of it, but if they can hire security to protect it, they can leave it open.
Anything to **** with the other side. Do you think the average veteran votes Demonrat, or has the slightest bit of respect for the Coward In Chief?
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:29 AM   #19
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Anything to **** with the other side. Do you think the average veteran votes Demonrat, or has the slightest bit of respect for the Coward In Chief?
The Pubs should sing to high hell about not paying the very people that protect this country every day.

Not paying our military is as despicable as it gets. **** them.
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The Pubs should sing to high hell about not paying the very people that protect this country every day.

Not paying our military is as despicable as it gets. **** them.
I think service members are still getting paid.
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:33 AM   #21
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They may be there to keep the inevitable asshole from vandalism too...But yeah I hear you.
Again, this is open 24/7 normally. There is no security there at night normally, nor barricades. Now all of a sudden it needs to be barricaded because of a government shutdown?

From their website: "The memorial is operated by the National Park Service and is open to visitors 24 hours a day, seven days a week."

Before they replaced their hours of operation page with a "we're closed due to shutdown" page, you would see it is staffed from 9am until 11pm but open to the public 24/7.

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Yes. Still receiving pay.
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I think service members are still getting paid.
Whoops.




The local TV station interviewed Military wives about how they were going to make it without money coming in.

Why does everything have to be slanted from the media?
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Again, this is open 24/7 normally. There is no security there at night normally, nor barricades. Now all of a sudden it needs to be barricaded because of a government shutdown?
Same reason stuff like the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds got cut. Do you think Obama's welfare scum base takes in a lot of air shows?
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Again, this is open 24/7 normally. There is no security there at night normally, nor barricades. Now all of a sudden it needs to be barricaded because of a government shutdown?

From their website: "The memorial is operated by the National Park Service and is open to visitors 24 hours a day, seven days a week."

Before they replaced their hours of operation page with a "we're closed due to shutdown" page, you would see it is staffed from 9am until 11pm but open to the public 24/7.
I understand. I've visited DC both pre and post 9-11. Security has changed a lot since then.
I completely disagree with keeping people out of the memorials, that wasn't my point.
Only that we need to keep an eye on them because there are assholes out there.
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I understand. I've visited DC both pre and post 9-11. Security has changed a lot since then.
I completely disagree with keeping people out of the memorials, that wasn't my point.
Only that we need to keep an eye on them because there are assholes out there.
I love the internet. So here is an archive of their hours page:

http://web.archive.org/web/201211081...isit/hours.htm

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The public may visit the World War II Memorial 24 hours a day. Rangers are on duty to answer questions from 9:30 a.m. to 11:30 p.m. daily and to provide interpretive programs every hour on the hour from 10:00 a.m. until 11:00 p.m.

So who was keeping an eye on the parks without barricades between 11:30pm and 9:30am before the shutdown? Bullshit political grandstanding.
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I love the internet. So here is an archive of their hours page:

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So who was keeping an eye on the parks without barricades between 11:30pm and 9:30am before the shutdown? Bullshit political grandstanding.
There is no doubt this is grand standing. I think you mistake my view...
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There is no doubt this is grand standing. I think you mistake my view...
I keep replying to your posts, but this is more for folks like DaveLane who view the vets entering the memorial as grandstanding.
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I keep replying to your posts, but this is more for folks like DaveLane who view the vets entering the memorial as grandstanding.
The next time you see me disrespect a vet will be the first time.
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Heh...

Actually, I saw on the news last night that a group of WWII vets are going to DC today from the KC area. They fly to DC, get on a bus, go to the WWII memorial, hang out for awhile, get some lunch, then go back to the airport and fly home to KC, all in one day. These guys are all in their 80s and 90s now, so God Bless them.

And yes, they should be allowed to tour the monument. I just hope somebody picks up the trash and keeps it in a presentable condition during the shutdown.
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