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Old 10-01-2013, 09:29 PM  
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Veterans break past World War II Memorial barricade

Busloads of World War II veterans, many in wheelchairs, broke past a barricade Tuesday morning to cross into the World War II Memorial, as onlookers applauded and a man playing the bagpipes led the way.

Moments earlier, a few Republican members of Congress had removed a section of the black gates that surrounded the site, allowing a line of veterans to roll past security officers, who willingly stood aside.



Veteran Donald Quinn of Pascagoula, Mississippi, said he was pleased with his visit to the memorial, despite the initial blockade.

"I'm surprised to see so many people here and so many important people, but I've enjoyed it," he said. "At first I didn't think I'd come, but I'm glad I did."

The National Park Service closed all of its parks, including national memorials, as a result of the federal government shutdown that went into effect at 12:01 a.m ET.

But a spokeswoman from the National Mall and Parks Service said efforts were no longer being made to hold anyone back.

"These are important visitors," Carol Johnson told reporters, adding that they're seeking guidance from the director's office on "where we go next."

"Obviously we did not want to do anything to mar the trip of these people," she said, saying the visitors came from Mississippi and Iowa. "They've come here specifically to see the memorial that was built for them."

Some Republican members of Congress and a Democratic senator were on site, blasting the federal government for fencing off the memorial. Outraged and baffled, Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, crossed through an opening in the railing earlier in the morning–before the breach–and got on the phone to try and reach the secretary of the Department of Interior.

"I don't get it. I'm furious. I'm trying to get a hold of people," he said, standing on the other side of the barricade and looking around for help. "But I can't seem to get a hold of anybody."

Harkin faulted Republicans for what he called their "nonsense" legislative push that led to the shutdown.

"Obviously I can walk here," Harkin said, as he walked past the barrier. "Why can't I walk there?" he added, pointing at the memorial located not far away.

A few House Republicans were also at the memorial to disparage the government for closing off the landmark on a day that veterans were set to arrive.

Rep. Steven Palazzo, one of the congressmen who helped move the gates, argued the decision to close the memorial may have been more of a political ploy than a bureaucratic oversight. The Mississippi Republican said it makes no sense to close an open-air monument and compared it to prohibiting someone from touching a tree.

"All Americans should have access to the monuments, but if there's one group, it's our greatest generation, and this might be the last opportunity in their lifetime to visit their memorial," he said.

"We've got park service employees out here," said Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, before the gates were opened. "Why wouldn't you have them here to allow the veterans in, instead of stand and keep them from coming in?"

Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, wearing casual clothes, said she was out walking when she heard about the pile-up outside the memorial and decided to hustle over to the site.

"The last thing we should see in America is a barricade for World War II veterans to be prevented from coming to their memorial," Bachmann said.

She vowed she and colleagues will be there "today, tomorrow, the next day, however long it takes" to keep the memorial open.

"America is not shutting down," she said. "If we have anything to say about it, we're going to keep this open."


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Old 10-02-2013, 08:52 PM   #61
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:52 PM   #62
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You have defended Obama this entire thread, and his actions. You defend his actions, you defend the closing of the memorial. Seems pretty simple to me. I did not see a single post of you call out the Obama administration stating they were wrong to close the memorial.
All of my posts in this thread are below. Point to the one where I defended Obama or defending closing the memorial. You called me a liar, then you just flat-out lied.



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Old 10-02-2013, 08:55 PM   #63
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All of my posts in this thread are below. Point to the one where I defended Obama or defending closing the memorial. You called me a liar, then you just flat-out lied.
You just proved my point by reporting your failed attempt at veiled sacarsm to defend the President...I see no posts where you call out the President for closing the memorial? Still thinking of how to word it?

Are you going to answer pete's post?
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:00 PM   #64
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You just proved my point by reporting your failed attempt at veiled sacarsm to defend the President...I see no posts where you call out the President for closing the memorial? Still thinking of how to word it?

Are you going to answer pete's post?
You're an ass--you are completely wrong about what you said, yet you are still arguing it. You said I defended him and the closing. I didn't. Not much of a reason to continue with you on this.
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:03 PM   #65
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If nothing else this entire episode will be fodder for PR Classes and case studies for years. Could the white house look and shabbier? How easy would it have been to turn this 180 degrees, Obama step to the front, take the side of the old vets from WW2 and insure that no one will be denyed access to the memorial. But then instead we get Harry Reid, Claire the evil bitch, and the amazing and stupid Jay Carney.
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:06 PM   #67
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You're an ass--you are completely wrong about what you said, yet you are still arguing it. You said I defended him and the closing. I didn't. Not much of a reason to continue with you on this.
Your words speak for themselves. I was completely correct, and your own statements bear that out.

Still waiting for you to answer pete....are going to say the President was wrong or not? If you are not willing to state it, then one must assume you endorse the Presidents actions.
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cosmo did not explicitly support the actions of Obama here. That's what he's arguing. The fact that he has not criticized Obummer for this move is not proof that he supports the move. It merely means he has not criticized the move. Some view that as meaning he supports the move by the Administration to block the memorial. But, he has NOT said so at all in this thread.

NOW...having said all that, I believe that cosmo is loathe to criticize the president, and therefore remains silent on his feelings about this move. Cosmo's not a dummy or unintelligent, and he knows that this is wrong, it's grandstanding and totally unnecessary. But he's not going to talk about that...
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cosmo did not explicitly support the actions of Obama here. That's what he's arguing. The fact that he has not criticized Obummer for this move is not proof that he supports the move. It merely means he has not criticized the move. Some view that as meaning he supports the move by the Administration to block the memorial. But, he has NOT said so at all in this thread.

NOW...having said all that, I believe that cosmo is loathe to criticize the president, and therefore remains silent on his feelings about this move. Cosmo's not a dummy or unintelligent, and he knows that this is wrong, it's grandstanding and totally unnecessary. But he's not going to talk about that...
I'm sure cosmo20002, like any intelligent being, feels great shame over our disgraceful president, but because he is afraid of being called a racist, he resists openly admitting it.
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cosmo did not explicitly support the actions of Obama here. That's what he's arguing. The fact that he has not criticized Obummer for this move is not proof that he supports the move. It merely means he has not criticized the move. Some view that as meaning he supports the move by the Administration to block the memorial. But, he has NOT said so at all in this thread.

NOW...having said all that, I believe that cosmo is loathe to criticize the president, and therefore remains silent on his feelings about this move. Cosmo's not a dummy or unintelligent, and he knows that this is wrong, it's grandstanding and totally unnecessary. But he's not going to talk about that...
This is an excellent post.

There's plenty of people already bitching about every little thing, I don't feel the need to join in. Debunking the bullshit is already a full-time job.

From what I know, it doesn't seem like the area should have been closed, but there was probably a directive to close the places that had personel formerly stationed there, and someone followed the order. Isn't the area essentially back open now? Is this still an issue? The congressmen milling around for camera face time seem to be enjoying the situation.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:23 AM   #72
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When the government was functioning, a vandal was able to deface the figure of Lincoln. But under the shutdown, law abiding citizens are blocked from entering by an armed guard.

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cosmo did not explicitly support the actions of Obama here. That's what he's arguing. The fact that he has not criticized Obummer for this move is not proof that he supports the move. It merely means he has not criticized the move. Some view that as meaning he supports the move by the Administration to block the memorial. But, he has NOT said so at all in this thread.

NOW...having said all that, I believe that cosmo is loathe to criticize the president, and therefore remains silent on his feelings about this move. Cosmo's not a dummy or unintelligent, and he knows that this is wrong, it's grandstanding and totally unnecessary. But he's not going to talk about that...
When he is unable to criticize anything the President does, his lack of comment speaks volumes.

The fact that he is critical of Republican lawmakers who were at the memorial speaks volumes:

[quote]The congressmen milling around for camera face time seem to be enjoying the situation.[quote]
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This is an excellent post.

There's plenty of people already bitching about every little thing, I don't feel the need to join in. Debunking the bullshit is already a full-time job.

From what I know, it doesn't seem like the area should have been closed, but there was probably a directive to close the places that had personel formerly stationed there, and someone followed the order. Isn't the area essentially back open now? Is this still an issue? The congressmen milling around for camera face time seem to be enjoying the situation.
A little hypocritical, don't ya think? You have plenty of time to criticize the R's for pushing for the memorial to be open, but cannot bring yourself to criticize the one who ordered it shut down---The President.
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When he is unable to criticize anything the President does, his lack of comment speaks volumes.

The fact that he is critical of Republican lawmakers who were at the memorial speaks volumes:

[quote]The congressmen milling around for camera face time seem to be enjoying the situation.[quote]



You quoted what I said, yet I don't see where I was critical of "Republican" lawmakers. Clearly, I didn't mention party. You seem to have a real problem understanding simple written sentences.
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