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Old 10-02-2013, 02:11 PM  
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The ObamaCare fight is just beginning

The ObamaCare fight is just beginning


Democrats are affronted that Republicans have made ObamaCare a focus of this fall’s fiscal fights. They should get used to it.

Even if Democrats deflect efforts to defund or delay the law in coming weeks, the fight will go on. Republican opposition is for the long haul, and it should be.

Even as the exchanges for individuals to purchase insurance get up and running, Oba*ma*Care is still in play. It has a legitimacy problem. It had one before it passed, when it was kept afloat through gross special deals, and it has one still, when it is manifestly failing to live up to the president’s salesmanship on its behalf. There’s a reason that usually we don’t pass major social changes lacking popular support on party-line votes — it is a formula for conflict rather than consensus.

Having done the deed, Democrats now expect Republicans to salute smartly, accept “the law of the land” and suggest minor improvements that Democrats will, in their wisdom, decide whether or not to adopt.

In other words, they recommend the acquiescence of surrender.

If this were a consistent principle rather than opportunistic advice, Democrats would have been content to leave “don’t ask, don’t tell” in place and never would have agitated to repeal the Bush tax cuts, out of deference to duly constituted policy and law.

Nearly four years after ObamaCare passed, the coalition against it has expanded, not shrunk. The unions are now excoriating the law in terms that once would have been reserved for Republican floor speeches. In his filibuster, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz repeatedly quoted a letter from Teamsters leader Jim Hoffa attacking ObamaCare as a clear and present threat to the middle class. When House Republicans voted to delay the individual mandate a few weeks ago, 35 Democrats joined them; Joe Manchin, the Democratic senator from West Virginia, announced his support for a delay just last week.

Pew Research has found disapproval of the health-care law at an all-time high in its polling. CNN’s latest survey has disapproval at 57 percent and approval at 38. Health care, a core Democratic strength for decades, is becoming a liability. A New York Times poll found that more people disapprove of President Barack Obama on health care than approve by a 54-to-40 margin. Trust for Republicans and Democrats on health care is about even, according to the Pew poll.

The problems with the health law are invariably described by the president and his allies as “glitches,” or harmless technical snafus that no one should worry about. But the law suffers from basic design flaws beyond the question of whether the Obama administration can get its software to work. It depends on young, healthy people buying insurance even as it reduces their incentive to do so; it encourages employers to dump workers off their current insurance; it suppresses full-time work, through the employer mandate; in 10 years, the law still leaves 30 million people uninsured.

None of this makes for a stable, widely accepted new dispensation in American health care. On the right, ironically enough, it is Cruz and his band of fellow defunders who are the defeatists on the law’s medium-term prospects. They argue that unless it is stopped before Jan. 1, when subsidies begin to flow through the exchanges, it will be an unalterable part of the American landscape.

But at first only about 2 percent of people will receive subsidies, which are funneled through insurers rather than given to individuals directly. The subsidies themselves shouldn’t be enough to save ObamaCare if it is failing.
The law’s fate over the longer term matters because it is almost certain to survive the immediate confrontations over the so-called continued resolution and the debt ceiling. It will be determined over the course of the next two elections, when Republicans will continue to pound away — rightly — over the sighs of annoyed impatience of the left and the media. Resistance is not futile.

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Old 10-03-2013, 01:05 PM   #61
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Rather than argue about when it started, let's just agree that it's not going to end anytime soon.
I give it a few years before this "fight" is going to be relegated to the same corner as the privatization of social security "fight," which I'm assuming y'all are still working on too.
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Old 10-03-2013, 01:05 PM   #62
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The fight started then.
Ah. So the Obamacare fight is not just beginning, then.

You're doing a great job.
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Old 10-03-2013, 02:17 PM   #63
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Ah. So the Obamacare fight is not just beginning, then.

You're doing a great job.
F&ck off you stupid, unsubstantive pissant.
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Old 10-03-2013, 02:23 PM   #64
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F&ck off you stupid, unsubstantive pissant.
Feel better?
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Old 10-03-2013, 02:23 PM   #65
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I give it a few years before this "fight" is going to be relegated to the same corner as the privatization of social security "fight," which I'm assuming y'all are still working on too.
There has never really been a fight about privatizing social security. It's hard to even call the brief effort to allow people to voluntarily divert a small sliver of their SS to privately managed accounts a skirmish.
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Old 10-03-2013, 02:27 PM   #66
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There has never really been a fight about privatizing social security. It's hard to even call the brief effort to allow people to voluntarily divert a small sliver of their SS to privately managed accounts a skirmish.
Right.
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Old 10-03-2013, 02:50 PM   #67
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Lets see ... There is a fine if you dont comply with Obamcare . If you say things challenging the legitimacy of anything important to do with Government the IRS audits you .

Basically you do what you are told or what ever holdings you have will be taken from you .
If they audit today , you can pretty much count on them seizing your wealth sooner or later.
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Another ridiculous dambass. You'll find a lot of your brothers here.
Are you offering him a towel or something?
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Old 10-03-2013, 05:32 PM   #69
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Are you offering him a towel or something?
I guess I was calling him a fish--dam bass.
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Old 10-03-2013, 05:34 PM   #70
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I'm sure I have convictions that those you might try to lump me in with might not appreciate your calling me their brother. That being said , I'm new here and am not interested in name calling and even that being said , your comment really isnt offensive. So in effect Peace be unto you brother cosmo.
I cant post links but there is a story in Israel National News on plans to elliimate cash. As far as what I said , read this as it is very relevant to what is planned for the US as well. It makes the iron fist of empires of old look uber liberal. The Borg are fictional , but the reality behind total assimilation into a single data base system is very real and all the components are there. People are encouraged to use keyboards and epads . Pen and paper will be phased out. Total control

Anyone with substantial personal holdings is in danger of losing them if they rock the boat . The IRS has lost alot of legitimacy and the conflict that is coming wont be over Healthcare specifically , it will be over the attempt by Government to conrol everything through a single unified collection of integrated data bases . You know anyone who's work involves data mining ?
Probably, but you are still crazy as hell and have a lot of company here.
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There has never really been a fight about privatizing social security. It's hard to even call the brief effort to allow people to voluntarily divert a small sliver of their SS to privately managed accounts a skirmish.
You got a very bad memory. It was George W.'s signature law for his 2nd term. He traveled all over the country, spoke at many rallies, did TV appearances, State of the Union spotlight etc.
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:18 PM   #72
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You got a very bad memory. It was George W.'s signature law for his 2nd term. He traveled all over the country, spoke at many rallies, did TV appearances, State of the Union spotlight etc.
Signature law? It wasn't even a bill. In fact, there was never even a specific proposal made by the White House or anyone in Congress. Like I said, it's hard to even call it a skirmish. Especially in comparison to Obamacare which has been the focus of a protracted legislative battle when it first passed, a special Senatorial election that hinged on it's unpopularity, a SCOTUS ruling, 40-something legislative attempts to repeal it, and now this impasse. Please. My memory is fine.
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:34 AM   #73
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I see cosmos, via the quotes, is still using that ole' Soviet line of calling people "crazy'! He'd have been a great govt worker guarding some gulag in Siberia and sic'ing a govt psych on dissenters.
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I'm sure I have convictions that those you might try to lump me in with might not appreciate your calling me their brother. That being said , I'm new here and am not interested in name calling and even that being said , your comment really isnt offensive. So in effect Peace be unto you brother cosmo.
I cant post links but there is a story in Israel National News on plans to elliimate cash. As far as what I said , read this as it is very relevant to what is planned for the US as well. It makes the iron fist of empires of old look uber liberal. The Borg are fictional , but the reality behind total assimilation into a single data base system is very real and all the components are there. People are encouraged to use keyboards and epads . Pen and paper will be phased out. Total control

Anyone with substantial personal holdings is in danger of losing them if they rock the boat . The IRS has lost alot of legitimacy and the conflict that is coming wont be over Healthcare specifically , it will be over the attempt by Government to conrol everything through a single unified collection of integrated data bases . You know anyone who's work involves data mining ?
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It's difficult to cure the cancer without causing the demise of the organism . A person who was into Gurdjeiff groups , kabbalah and the likes said that , it's not my invention. How many folks here have read about the biological expirements done on people in a housing project in St Louis ? It involved Plutonium dispersial via aerosol .

I was a late arrival in regards to the WWW , pulling out of matrix isn't easy especially on the Pac coast . There is plenty of crime here , but the majority of the really nasty stuff involves head games . Not sure what it is like out there , but here they advertise on the radio for MK ultra drug study guinea pigs . Looks like that is all going to be revamped into nano and implant related forms of " Treatment" . You can bet their has been alot more progress in that area than is let on and it has been done in Japan and Taiwan from what I have seen . SRI operations in those countries were listed on the SRI site at one time.
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