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Old 10-02-2013, 06:04 PM  
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Obama\Dems won't negotiate on CR or Debt Ceiling

That's the report after the leaders all met this afternoon. The President and the Dems stated not only will they not negotiate on the current CR they will not negotiate on the Debt Ceiling either.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:21 PM   #46
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What? Try again, yes of course an ACTUAL default will cause a downgrade but last time it was the threat of default and if we downgrade again it will likely be BEFORE we get to the point of an actual default. The point is that the people threatening DEFAULT are the Dems, not the GOP. Even without raising the debt ceiling we could scrape by without a true default if the Dems chose to. It's not at all politically viable for either side but I'm simply correcting your wrongheaded lie that it is the HOUSE threatening default.
Yeah, the people who want to pay the bills are doing the threatening. And the people who want to make a bunch of demands in order to pay them aren't. You've entered the bizzaro world. Say hi to pete, prison bitch and CoMo.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:23 PM   #47
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Yeah, the people who want to pay the bills are doing the threatening. And the people who want to make a bunch of demands in order to pay them aren't. You've entered the bizzaro world. Say hi to pete, prison bitch and CoMo.
If they want to pay the bills then I suggest they start passing these bills coming their way.The bizzaro world is the one the Dems live in where they think spending has no consequence and compromise means their way or no way.

As I understand had Reid passed appropriations bills throughout the last year we wouldn't be having this discussion now.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:26 PM   #48
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Yeah, the people who want to pay the bills are doing the threatening. And the people who want to make a bunch of demands in order to pay them aren't. You've entered the bizzaro world. Say hi to pete, prison bitch and CoMo.
Only one side is saying they won't negotiate. And it isn't republicans. Can you admit Obama is at least equally responsible?
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:29 PM   #49
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If they want to pay the bills then I suggest they start passing these bills coming their way.The bizzaro world is the one the Dems live in where they think spending has no consequence and compromise means their way or no way.

As I understand had Reid passed appropriations bills throughout the last year we wouldn't be having this discussion now.
Exactly. That's called a threat. You're starting to get it.

Now you just have to explain why it is a good thing to not pay the bills. I'm not talking about authorizing additional spending (read that a few times). I'm talking about paying bills that are due.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:31 PM   #50
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Exactly. That's called a threat. You're starting to get it.

Now you just have to explain why it is a good thing to not pay the bills. I'm not talking about authorizing additional spending (read that a few times). I'm talking about paying bills that are due.
What's just as equally a threat is to say pass what we want or we won't listen to you.

Sorry, you spend more than what you have and shit catches up to you. That's a concept you just cannot seem to grasp.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:32 PM   #51
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Only one side is saying they won't negotiate. And it isn't republicans. Can you admit Obama is at least equally responsible?
Paying bills on stuff for which you authorized the spending shouldn't be a negotiable issue. And it never has been. Until this bunch of irresponsible Rs.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:33 PM   #52
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Paying bills on stuff for which you authorized the spending shouldn't be a negotiable issue. And it never has been. Until this bunch of irresponsible Rs.
hmmm, had Obama had his way in 2006.......


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Old 10-02-2013, 08:34 PM   #53
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What's just as equally a threat is to say pass what we want or we won't listen to you.

Sorry, you spend more than what you have and shit catches up to you. That's a concept you just cannot seem to grasp.
So don't authorize more spending. You're either to stupid to recognize the difference or just acting stupid. I'm done with you on this
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:39 PM   #54
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So don't authorize more spending. You're either to stupid to recognize the difference or just acting stupid. I'm done with you on this
No, toolbag, that's not how you do it because that doesn't cause any pain. This country learns one way and one way only and sadly that's through pain. I'm glad you're done you Obama hack job. You support a guy who voted to do the very thing you are crying about others doing. You have the integrity of a crack whore on a friday night.
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:00 PM   #55
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Paying bills on stuff for which you authorized the spending shouldn't be a negotiable issue. And it never has been. Until this bunch of irresponsible Rs.
It's always been negotiable. That's why debt limit increases don't happen automatically.

I'd be a little more careful throwing out the bizzaro world flag.
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It's always been negotiable. That's why debt limit increases don't happen automatically.

I'd be a little more careful throwing out the bizzaro world flag.
Please provide the links to where the debt ceiling has always been held up until one party got what they wanted?
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Harry Reid is a whiney little squirt. Nice job by Obama to bring everyone together and seek common ground......
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What? Try again, yes of course an ACTUAL default will cause a downgrade but last time it was the threat of default and if we downgrade again it will likely be BEFORE we get to the point of an actual default. The point is that the people threatening DEFAULT are the Dems, not the GOP. Even without raising the debt ceiling we could scrape by without a true default if the Dems chose to. It's not at all politically viable for either side but I'm simply correcting your wrongheaded lie that it is the HOUSE threatening default.
I thought it was clear from our last exchange, but you are completely wrong on this. The only way to avoid default is if the Congress passes a bill raising the debt ceiling. The executive branch has no legal or practical way to avoid default without that happenimg.
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Why would they negotiate? Republicans are getting their shit pushed in.
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Why would they negotiate? Republicans are getting their shit pushed in.
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