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Old 10-02-2013, 07:52 PM  
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99 Percent: the Occupy Wall Street Film

99 Percent: The Occupy Wall Street Film

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Has anyone viewed this documentary yet? I just caught it on Pivot and it's interesting.
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Old 10-03-2013, 02:21 PM   #46
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Sigh. This is the socialists solution for everything.
That's not exactly a response.

But I appreciate the dialogue.
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Old 10-03-2013, 02:21 PM   #47
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In other words, college to so expensive we need other people to pay their tuition and room and board, so they can drink and tweet and take bullshit courses that don't involve science or math.
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Old 10-03-2013, 02:23 PM   #48
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In other words, college to so expensive we need other people to pay their tuition and room and board, so they can drink and tweet and take bullshit courses that don't involve science or math.
CPA’s are just as unemployable as Under-Water Basket Weavers. /Drek
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Old 10-03-2013, 02:35 PM   #49
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Education, like health care, has its true costs distorted by government do-gooders. If you interfere with a market the consumer cannot spot true price-value signals. So kids buying education never knew they were being largely subsidized by the taxpayer. Allowing prices to rise indefinitely.



Like everything the government does, it eventually crashes in failure. Looks like it is happening to students now.
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Old 10-03-2013, 03:53 PM   #50
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I just think it's sad, how hard he tries to blame everyone else. I feel it's a major issue with this country and has cause a lot of our issues.

Like I said, I'm paying back loans and I didn't even get my degree. I'm not trying to blame anyone else, I've taken responsibility for my own actions.
I didn't blame anyone. I said don't blame students who are tying to improve their life in a horrible situation.

reading comprehension for the win.
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Old 10-03-2013, 03:59 PM   #51
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Yep. Which in turn makes the tuition go sky high.
I'm sure that the both are you are aware that how much the government loans to students is capped, right?

And that the majority of the big debt students take on is through private banks?
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:12 PM   #52
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Actually it's been a drop in public funding that's been more responsible than anything.

If you want to make college more broadly affordable, and bend the cost curve on tuition, you need to rachet up public funding.
I hope notorious brought a spare supply of facepalms, because we're apparently going to need them for more than the loneiguana posts.

You're talking about sweeping costs under the rug (while they continue to go up much faster than inflation) instead of addressing the cause of the problem. Sounds a lot like the democrat approach to health care reform.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:15 PM   #53
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You're talking about sweeping costs under the rug (while they continue to go up much faster than inflation) instead of addressing the cause of the problem. Sounds a lot like the democrat approach to health care reform.
The cause of the problem is there's not enough access to higher education because it's getting progressively more expensive.

Your preferred course of action would either (a.) further restrict access and tell us there's nothing wrong with that, (b.) deprive universities of the state funding that has proven to make prices go up, or (c.) both, obviously.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:28 PM   #54
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:34 PM   #55
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The cause of the problem is there's not enough access to higher education because it's getting progressively more expensive.

Your preferred course of action would either (a.) further restrict access and tell us there's nothing wrong with that, (b.) deprive universities of the state funding that has proven to make prices go up, or (c.) both, obviously.
Addicts sometimes experience pain when going through withdrawal. Efforts to take remedial action for the harm caused by well-intentioned, but ultimately destructive, liberals should probably include a transition period to avoid major dislocations.

But getting back to the original issue of students complaining about education debt, the first thing people should do is weigh the costs against the benefits of a particular college degree and financing plan for the actual environment they face rather than simply wishing for some socialistic or libertarian utopia.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:38 PM   #56
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The cause of the problem is there's not enough access to higher education because it's getting progressively more expensive.

Your preferred course of action would either (a.) further restrict access and tell us there's nothing wrong with that, (b.) deprive universities of the state funding that has proven to make prices go up, or (c.) both, obviously.
Not to mention that they strangely ignore something conservatives love, market demand.

The four-year college degree has basically became the equivalent to the High School Degree of fifty years ago.

When the most basic, 25,000 dollar a year job requires a four year degree, demand for degrees are going to skyrocket.

And then I ask, what is the actual demand curve? We, society, has convinced the last few generations that you have to have a college degree. That the cost is worth it. College Grads make more money than non-college grads.

Prices go up for the simple fact that we pay it. Something is only worth what the purchaser will pay for it.

What choice do we have? I don't want to pay that high in tuition, but every job I want requires at least a four year degree. So, I do the dance they require (and half the classes are B.S. wastes of money anyway) to get the job.

And then we unnecessarily cap admission in high demand programs and jobs. Only accept 30 new people into the nursing program a year out of over 100 qualified applicants is stupid. Expand the program.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:45 PM   #57
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Addicts sometimes experience pain when going through withdrawal. Efforts to take remedial action for the harm caused by well-intentioned, but ultimately destructive, liberals should probably include a transition period to avoid major dislocations.

But getting back to the original issue of students complaining about education debt, the first thing people should do is weigh the costs against the benefits of a particular college degree and financing plan for the actual environment they face rather than simply wishing for some socialistic or libertarian utopia.

Your ignorance is amazing.

The majority of students are completely aware of how much debt they are taking on.

Colleges require that you have a financing plan, that you talk with a finical adviser.

The government REQUIRES you take a test on understanding what you are getting yourself into if you use a federal loan.

There are REQUIRED classes that force you to plan how you are going to pay for the debt you are taking on.

The problem is the cost. Not that students are too stupid to know what is going on.
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Old 10-03-2013, 06:51 PM   #58
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I can now see that a very, very small part of the population has zero idea what personal responsibility is.
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:12 PM   #59
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Your ignorance is amazing.

The majority of students are completely aware of how much debt they are taking on.

Colleges require that you have a financing plan, that you talk with a finical adviser.

The government REQUIRES you take a test on understanding what you are getting yourself into if you use a federal loan.

There are REQUIRED classes that force you to plan how you are going to pay for the debt you are taking on.

The problem is the cost. Not that students are too stupid to know what is going on.
Ah, I see. Then there's really no problem at all. Students enter these loans with plenty of information and have no one to blame but themselves for getting buried in debt. Thanks for clearing that up.

BTW, I'm shocked that you are wasting your educational opportunities on BS classes. I would have never guessed.
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:39 PM   #60
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I'm pretty sure this is a problem shared by everybody with college debt, not just theatre majors.

But go for the low hanging fruit if that's what you desire.
No you are wrong on that. There are degrees that are of value and are in demand and those that are not. The degrees that are in demand tend to have a higher hire rate and pay better than those that do not. Sorry, that's the way it is. If you get a worthless degree then you will struggle with paying off your student loan debt as you work at a Starbucks.

Student debt is high, I agree but there better ways to invest that money as far as education. Invest it in degrees that are of value, if you blow it on a wrothless degree then that is your fault and to place the blame on anyone but you is just plain sad and pathetic.
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