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Old 10-02-2013, 07:52 PM  
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99 Percent: the Occupy Wall Street Film

99 Percent: The Occupy Wall Street Film

http://movies.yahoo.com/video/99-per...163026967.html


Has anyone viewed this documentary yet? I just caught it on Pivot and it's interesting.
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:50 PM   #61
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Yes, let's blame the students who, through their entire life heard and were sold, go to college go to college go to college. Who were told, if you don't go to college you will dig ditches your whole life.

Who were never educated any different. Who were hardly ever told about community colleges.

Students, who when taking on this debt were only perhaps 18 years of age, too young to even be considered responsible enough to drink.

Let's blame the students as the cause for the price of college to rise exponentially. Let's blame students because they know that college is required for the most basic of jobs now.

Yes, Let's blame students who only want to improve their position in life.

Read what you sign.

They can read, can't they?
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:58 PM   #62
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Read what you sign.

They can read, can't they?
They had to sign before the schooling duh~
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:00 PM   #63
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Your ignorance is amazing.

The majority of students are completely aware of how much debt they are taking on.

Colleges require that you have a financing plan, that you talk with a finical adviser.

The government REQUIRES you take a test on understanding what you are getting yourself into if you use a federal loan.

There are REQUIRED classes that force you to plan how you are going to pay for the debt you are taking on.

The problem is the cost. Not that students are too stupid to know what is going on.
The only thing to take away from this is kids these days are stupid mother ****ers.

Let's see, do I go to college and take courses that won't gain me one long term advantage in my life other than it might get me a fry cook position at McDonalds instead of a counter person, or go out and do hard manual labor for the rest of my life, or, do I knuckle down and do the work at college to be an engineer?
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:02 PM   #64
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The only thing to take away from this is kids these days are stupid mother ****ers.
Kids were just as stupid in the past, but they didn't have the vessel known as "Social Media" to convey their stupidity.
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:03 PM   #65
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The only thing to take away from this is kids these days are stupid mother ****ers.
They feel entitled and are outraged that life is not being handed to them~
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:04 PM   #66
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Kids were just as stupid in the past, but they didn't have the vessel known as "Social Media" to convey their stupidity.
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:24 PM   #67
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Kids were just as stupid in the past, but they didn't have the vessel known as "Social Media" to convey their stupidity.
Prett much. I spent a semester in college at a university in 1979 learning crap, then realized I could get a much better education in a new thing called 'computers' for less than half the price at a community college that the university didn't offer.

Now days universities offer degrees in very deep degrees like 'general studies'. Which, for about $65,000 basically teaches you how to make a fried egg and toast come out perfect at the same time.
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:27 PM   #68
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They feel entitled and are outraged that life is not being handed to them~
If you get up, puke, shake off the hangover and make it to class by 10 am for 4 years you should be making 6 figures right? Am I right?
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:29 PM   #69
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One thing is a definite certain.

If zombies attack and we can find an electronic way to kill them the latest generation has our back.
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:31 PM   #70
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If you get up, puke, shake off the hangover and make it to class by 10 am for 4 years you should be making 6 figures right? Am I right?
Well, I specialized in that field for 5 years and it worked out for me.


Funny thing is that I am succeeding in a field that has nothing to do with my degree! What a crazy concept!
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Old 10-04-2013, 06:26 AM   #71
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Ah, I see. Then there's really no problem at all. Students enter these loans with plenty of information and have no one to blame but themselves for getting buried in debt. Thanks for clearing that up.

BTW, I'm shocked that you are wasting your educational opportunities on BS classes. I would have never guessed.

I see you are just going to wallow in your ignorance and completely ignore that students are burying themselves in debt to just get their foot in the door the Job Market.

I also see your ignorance extends to not understanding the 60 or so credit hours College Require in non-major courses.

And yes, there is a problem. You shouldn't have to go 10 of thousands of dollars in debt to get entry level positions in the job market. That is the problem.
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Old 10-04-2013, 06:29 AM   #72
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Read what you sign.

They can read, can't they?
Yes, most students know exactly how much debt they are taking on.

Why do they do it? Because they don't want to work at Wal-Mart, and non-minimum wage jobs require a college degree.

I don't understand why this is so hard to understand.

You want any type of job that pays above 25,000 a year, you go to college.
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If parents can't pay tuition they, and guidance counsellors, need to make kids aware of the situation. If you need to do 2 years of juco to get your pre reqs out of the way then do so. If you need to work while in school then do so. Pursue your passion, whatever it is...
If you take out loans, pay them.
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Old 10-04-2013, 06:33 AM   #74
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The only thing to take away from this is kids these days are stupid mother ****ers.

Let's see, do I go to college and take courses that won't gain me one long term advantage in my life other than it might get me a fry cook position at McDonalds instead of a counter person, or go out and do hard manual labor for the rest of my life, or, do I knuckle down and do the work at college to be an engineer?

Yet someone else who is completely ignorant of the required general classes for an undergraduate degree.

And thinks that everyone can be an engineer.

Or is this another one of those 'I think the majority of college students are in majors I don't like" comment that isn't based in reality.

But, based on the ignorance of you and Patty, it doesn't surprise me you two wouldn't have any idea what the most popular majors are.
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I see you are just going to wallow in your ignorance and completely ignore that students are burying themselves in debt to just get their foot in the door the Job Market.

I also see your ignorance extends to not understanding the 60 or so credit hours College Require in non-major courses.

And yes, there is a problem. You shouldn't have to go 10 of thousands of dollars in debt to get entry level positions in the job market. That is the problem.
What is the fix? Cut prof pay? Reduce number of options? Consolidate prerequisites reducing staff further? More large lecture classes fewer small section studies? Lower borrowing limits to no more than tuition fees books?

All of these begin to address the issues of too much cost at the university level and too much cost to student. As well it addresses the issue of too many dollars available to students to borrow. Limits could also take into account scholarships by reducing amount you can borrow by some portion of scholarship earned
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