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Has anyone viewed this documentary yet? I just caught it on Pivot and it's interesting.
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Old 10-05-2013, 09:16 AM   #106
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:40 AM   #107
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English Experts are not in low demand. You literally have no concept of college today.

The number one thing employers are looking for besides someone who will show up on time is communication skills and critical thinking skills - something that will benefit an employee in a large number of jobs.
Getting a degree in English is a cost inefficient way to develop the communication skills employers are looking for. That's like going to culinary school because you heard that the best way to a man's heart is through his stomach.

You can learn to communicate well in other ways while you pursue a degree that will make you more marketable if you're burying yourself in debt to get that degree.

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But hey, don't take my word for it:

Best Pre Law Schools and Majors

http://www.lawyeredu.org/best-pre-law-schools.html

History -"Students will study developing political systems, famous trials, treaties, and international history. All of these subjects will afford the student the opportunity to understand how the law affects the rules of society. Knowing these things will help the student have a solid grasp on precedents that established our laws. It will also help the student become a more persuasive litigator by knowing the history behind the law."

English-"Two of the most fundamental activities for lawyers is reading and writing. It is critical that an attorney possess strong reading and writing skills. Each argument presented in court is first well researched, thought out, and written down. Strong reading skills will help a student learn how to absorb large amounts of information at a fast pace. Strong writing skills will help to formulate persuasive arguments.

The English major will develop excellent critical thinking skills as well. A good attorney must analyze each case in order to determine the best way to approach a resolution. English majors are required to read critically. They will have to analyze, compare, and contrast a wide variety of literature. These activities will develop a student's ability to think critically which will translate into invaluable skills for law school"

The other four on the website:

Philosophy
Political Science
Economics
Business
You have a logic deficiency. There's nothing wrong with an English degree for someone who can self-finance or even for someone with a serious plan for how to make it work and the ability to achieve that plan. But you can't borrow a ton to get an English degree expecting to come out at the other end with a high paying lawyer job just because an article describes it as good preparation for law school.

Only a fraction of people who enroll in English degree programs have serious ambitions to go to law school. Of those, only a fraction will graduate, get accepted, and actually go on to law school. Of those, only a fraction will end up with the high paying lawyer jobs that can handle the debt they've incurred. When you borrow money for college, you have to take into account the worst case as well as the best case situations.
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:43 AM   #108
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Yea, I think you were.
If you're currently pursuing an English degree, ask one of your professors to explain the difference between "about you" and "to you".
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:48 AM   #109
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Getting a degree in English is a cost inefficient way to develop the communication skills employers are looking for. That's like going to culinary school because you heard that the best way to a man's heart is through his stomach.

You can learn to communicate well in other ways while you pursue a degree that will make you more marketable if you're burying yourself in debt to get that degree.



You have a logic deficiency. There's nothing wrong with an English degree for someone who can self-finance or even for someone with a serious plan for how to make it work and the ability to achieve that plan. But you can't borrow a ton to get an English degree expecting to come out at the other end with a high paying lawyer job just because an article describes it as good preparation for law school.

Only a fraction of people who enroll in English degree programs have serious ambitions to go to law school. Of those, only a fraction will graduate, get accepted, and actually go on to law school. Of those, only a fraction will end up with the high paying lawyer jobs that can handle the debt they've incurred. When you borrow money for college, you have to take into account the worst case as well as the best case situations.

So the only people who should go to college are those who can afford it?

And I would ask you to cite your fraction of a fraction make it, but I know you won't. Or to cite that most college students don't have a plan.

It isn't true anyway.

Hey, you have no guarantee you will become engineer just because you have an engineering degree.

So, by your logic, only those who can afford a engineering degree should go to college.
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:49 AM   #110
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:50 AM   #111
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If you're currently pursuing an English degree, ask one of your professors to explain the difference between "about you" and "to you".
OMG someone on the internet was talking about someone but not specifically addressing him.

How rude of that guy to butt in our private conversation on a public forum

He should just let us talk about him without saying anything.

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Old 10-05-2013, 11:32 AM   #112
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So the only people who should go to college are those who can afford it?

And I would ask you to cite your fraction of a fraction make it, but I know you won't. Or to cite that most college students don't have a plan.

It isn't true anyway.

Hey, you have no guarantee you will become engineer just because you have an engineering degree.

So, by your logic, only those who can afford a engineering degree should go to college.
Yes, only people who can afford it (after you factor in loans and ability to repay them) should go to college. If you can't afford it, save some money, moonlight, or join the military and get your education on the GI bill.

The fraction of a fraction thing doesn't require a cite. It's obvious.
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Old 10-05-2013, 11:52 AM   #113
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Old 10-05-2013, 11:54 AM   #114
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Yes, only people who can afford it (after you factor in loans and ability to repay them) should go to college. If you can't afford it, save some money, moonlight, or join the military and get your education on the GI bill.

The fraction of a fraction thing doesn't require a cite. It's obvious.
Another wise idea would be to get a degree that has some potential for earning money. That information is not exactly hard to obtain.
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Old 10-05-2013, 12:04 PM   #115
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English Experts are not in low demand. You literally have no concept of college today.

The number one thing employers are looking for besides someone who will show up on time is communication skills and critical thinking skills - something that will benefit an employee in a large number of jobs.

But hey, don't take my word for it:

Best Pre Law Schools and Majors

http://www.lawyeredu.org/best-pre-law-schools.html

History -"Students will study developing political systems, famous trials, treaties, and international history. All of these subjects will afford the student the opportunity to understand how the law affects the rules of society. Knowing these things will help the student have a solid grasp on precedents that established our laws. It will also help the student become a more persuasive litigator by knowing the history behind the law."

English-"Two of the most fundamental activities for lawyers is reading and writing. It is critical that an attorney possess strong reading and writing skills. Each argument presented in court is first well researched, thought out, and written down. Strong reading skills will help a student learn how to absorb large amounts of information at a fast pace. Strong writing skills will help to formulate persuasive arguments.

The English major will develop excellent critical thinking skills as well. A good attorney must analyze each case in order to determine the best way to approach a resolution. English majors are required to read critically. They will have to analyze, compare, and contrast a wide variety of literature. These activities will develop a student's ability to think critically which will translate into invaluable skills for law school"

The other four on the website:

Philosophy
Political Science
Economics
Business
Of the over a dozen jobs I've applied for, my English degree has netted me exactly 0 interviews.

Clearly it has no value to employers, and while it can be a ticket to law school, you're better off applying to law school if you are in the sciences.
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Another wise idea would be to get a degree that has some potential for earning money. That information is not exactly hard to obtain.
Yeah, that's what I was getting at with the "loans and ability to repay them" part.
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:09 PM   #118
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Another wise idea would be to get a degree that has some potential for earning money. That information is not exactly hard to obtain.
And I'm still waiting for the evidence that the majority of students aren't doing this?

And for any type of reasoning for why it you should have 30 years of loan repayment just to get a degree required for a majority of jobs.
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More bums wanting free handouts.
Please do explain what free stuff people want?

How does one go from affordable education to free?
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