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Has anyone viewed this documentary yet? I just caught it on Pivot and it's interesting.
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:15 PM   #121
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Of the over a dozen jobs I've applied for, my English degree has netted me exactly 0 interviews.

Clearly it has no value to employers, and while it can be a ticket to law school, you're better off applying to law school if you are in the sciences.
Sounds like you need help searching for jobs.

Or Resume help.

Or you are being too picky.

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Remember, Strong action verbs on the Resume that mimic what the employer has on the website. Stress Analytically and communication skills. And if those aren't suited for the job you want, then your English Degree should be at the bottom of the resume.

I had about a dozen employers talk to me about jobs at the career fair I went to, even though they were not specifically looking for an English Major, just because I went up and started a conversation.

I stress what I could to do for them.

Most employers want softskills, not hard skills.

Show up on time, follow simple directions, ability to read the newspaper, pass a drug test.

Everything else you can learn on the job. What you learn about Lord Byron is wanted by no one anywhere.
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Old 10-05-2013, 03:19 PM   #122
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And I'm still waiting for the evidence that the majority of students aren't doing this?

And for any type of reasoning for why it you should have 30 years of loan repayment just to get a degree required for a majority of jobs.
The terms are laid out for you in black and white.

If you decide to spend $30,000 on a theater degree, that's your business. Good luck.
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Old 10-05-2013, 03:22 PM   #123
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Please do explain what free stuff people want?

How does one go from affordable education to free?
It's just a matter of degree. If you want government handouts to cover 50% of a college education to make it "affordable", you're looking for 2 years of free stuff for every 4 year degree.
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Old 10-05-2013, 03:26 PM   #124
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Communications. Some other friends the same, others had degrees in business.
Good luck. I wish you the best. If you knew then what you know now about the job market, would you have made the same decision (in terms of major and/or going to college to begin with)?
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Old 10-05-2013, 05:25 PM   #125
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Good luck. I wish you the best. If you knew then what you know now about the job market, would you have made the same decision (in terms of major and/or going to college to begin with)?
I tell everyone I meet not to go to college unless someone else is paying for it. Loans are not worth it. Get a job with a company that will pay for the classes for you and then work there until you graduate. The number of colleges with online classes make attending college a waste now.

I'm doing fine now but I will be paying off the student loans for years. Would much rather put that money into a house but that will have to wait.
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Old 10-05-2013, 05:28 PM   #126
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I tell everyone I meet not to go to college unless someone else is paying for it. Loans are not worth it. Get a job with a company that will pay for the classes for you and then work there until you graduate. The number of colleges with online classes make attending college a waste now.
Getting a job where they'll pay for your classes is great advice if you can find it. Keep your spirits up, keep hustling, and you'll eventually get on your feet.
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Old 10-07-2013, 06:08 AM   #127
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The terms are laid out for you in black and white.

If you decide to spend $30,000 on a theater degree, that's your business. Good luck.
The majority of people aren't out for theater degrees.

And why should anyone have to pay 30,000 for any degree?
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Old 10-07-2013, 06:28 AM   #128
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It's just a matter of degree. If you want government handouts to cover 50% of a college education to make it "affordable", you're looking for 2 years of free stuff for every 4 year degree.

So you just ignore the extreme inflation of college education over the last 30 years to make a worthless point about government money.

Typical.

College tuition has being increasing at over 100 percent of inflation, and you numbuts talk about wanting free stuff from the government and theater degrees.

Is that like a mandatory reflex for when you don't have anything to actual argue?

And whats funny is you actually have no idea how much college is already funded by the government (Duh, state school). Guess what, it is already around the fifty percent range.

Again, I have to attempt to correct of stupidly of how wrong you are on education.

The government spends a lot less on college education today then it did 30 years ago and it is one of the big reasons students have been forced into debt.

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First, three out of four undergraduates in the United States attend a public college or university—only about 15 percent attend the costlier private schools that get so much attention in the press. And second, state funding for those public colleges and universities has collapsed over the last two decades, forcing students and their families to borrow the difference.

These cuts have been particularly severe in the years since the Great Recession. As the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities has reported, every state except for North Dakota and Wyoming is spending less per student on higher education than they did in 2007. As a result, students in nearly every state are paying higher tuition, even as colleges try to lower costs by firing faculty, eliminating course offerings, closing campuses, and reducing library services. In the last five years alone, thirty-six states cut funding for public higher education by more than 20 percent, eleven cut funding by more than a third, and two states—Arizona and New Hampshire—cut their spending per college student in half.

It wasn't always like this. In the late 1980s, public colleges and universities received more than 75 percent of their total funding from state government, with a small percentage coming from the federal government. But today, that number is closer to 50 percent, with higher student tuition responsible for the other half:

http://tcf.org/blog/detail/the-colla...tz-missed-on-t


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Per-student revenue from state and local governments fell by $2,600, after adjusting for inflation, between 1987 and 2012. During that same period, per-student tuition increased by $2,600. In other words, the entire increase in tuition at public colleges and universities over the last 25 years has gone to make up for declining state and local revenue, leaving no additional funding available to improve programs and services or fund costs that are rising faster than the rate of inflation such as employee health care.

This trend has meant that students have assumed much greater responsibility for paying for public higher education without those institutions receiving more money to fund quality improvements. In 1987, public colleges and universities received 3.3 times as much in revenue from state and local governments as they did from students. They now receive about 1.1 times as much from states and localities as from students.
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3927


What is really funny about all these free stuff from the government B.S. is that you old timers did have great government funding for your cheap affordable school.

And you selfish bastards are telling my generation we can't have affordable school too.

F off.

The Barrier to a quality higher education should be one's one ability, intelligence and persistence, not one's financial means.
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:08 AM   #129
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If you are smart and work hard its not a tough sled even today. What people like loneiguana fail to factor in is scholarships and grants from all sources as well as the contribution financially from campus work and summers and mom and dad kicking in. In many cases where the debt is extreme you find out the kid borrowed all he could for five years to get a 4 year degree and ****ed awsy his time with no job and was getting scholarships and mommy money.

The real story is far from what the proponants of more education aid present. In struggle you find strength.
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Oh for Christ sake...handle your business. Work through it if you have to do so.
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If you are smart and work hard its not a tough sled even today. What people like loneiguana fail to factor in is scholarships and grants from all sources as well as the contribution financially from campus work and summers and mom and dad kicking in. In many cases where the debt is extreme you find out the kid borrowed all he could for five years to get a 4 year degree and ****ed awsy his time with no job and was getting scholarships and mommy money.

The real story is far from what the proponants of more education aid present. In struggle you find strength.
And we continue to ignore the extreme inflation of college tuition.

And let us see what the actual facts of the situation is....

Oh, wait... the average student debt is 35,000 dollars. AVERAGE.

For Missouri it 23,000.

http://projectonstudentdebt.org/state_by_state-data.php

That really sounds like it is only a few cases where people have extreme debt.

What pepople like liarchieffan fail to understand is actual facts.
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And we continue to ignore the extreme inflation of college tuition.

And let us see what the actual facts of the situation is....

Oh, wait... the average student debt is 35,000 dollars. AVERAGE.

For Missouri it 23,000.

http://projectonstudentdebt.org/state_by_state-data.php

That really sounds like it is only a few cases where people have extreme debt.

What pepople like liarchieffan fail to understand is actual facts.
That's less than a car costs, and can make you a lot more$
Valuable things cost money, that's how it goes...
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I don't get the problem with average student debt being $35,000. Paying back a $35,000 loan isn't an outlandish amount.
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I don't get the problem with average student debt being $35,000. Paying back a $35,000 loan isn't an outlandish amount.
It's an average car loan. For a great 4 years of your life, a growth experience, and a career enhancer. What's the question? It's an investment in yourself.
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That's less than a car costs, and can make you a lot more$
Valuable things cost money, that's how it goes...
So, we should just ignore the fact that college tuition is skyrocketing.

We should just ignore that fact that millions of students are starting out it debt.

The who cares, you will get a job to pay it off attitude is the exact reason the problem is on going.

Never mind that education shouldn't be that expensive. Never mind that our economy would do better if graduates spent money on cars, or houses, or goods instead of paying down debt.

Never mind that our country some how found a way to insure people went to college without the debt 30 years ago.
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