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Old 10-03-2013, 04:02 PM  
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Should we default on the nation's debts over Obamacare?

Take whatever position you want: that you want Obamacare repealed, that you want a couple parts of it repealed, that you want it to be delayed...

Whatever position you anti-ACAers adopt these days, and answer this question:

Do you believe we should default on our debts because Obamacare is being implemented in its current form?
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:36 PM   #136
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We've all seen what republicans think of as fiscal responsibility. Go sell that shit somewhere else.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:37 PM   #137
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Can't think of anytime I have. Maybe if you wouldn't fall off the face of the earth for months I'd get a better chance.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:38 PM   #138
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Usually the child is the one stamping their feet and crying not trying to negotiate. Its usually the parent trying to negotiate with the child lying in the middle of the floor throwing the fit. At least thats what I have noticed.
Yes. That's what we have here. A law. Approved by voters. Will be enforced.

Children with zero leverage crying about it in the floor.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:38 PM   #139
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We've all seen what republicans think of as fiscal responsibility. Go sell that shit somewhere else.
I almost never have a chance to agree with you, so I'd better take this one.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:40 PM   #140
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Yes. That's what we have here. A law. Approved by voters. Will be enforced.

Children with zero leverage crying about it in the floor.
I would not call this a law approved by the voters. This was a law rammed down the throats of the people by a party that refused to negotiate back then. The majority of americans disapproved of it then as they do now.

Yeah Obama got reelected but it wasn't health care that got him reelected.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:45 PM   #141
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I would not call this a law approved by the voters. This was a law rammed down the throats of the people by a party that refused to negotiate back then. The majority of americans disapproved of it then as they do now.

Yeah Obama got reelected but it wasn't health care that got him reelected.
Ok pal. I'm sure you and the majority of the peope you know don't like it, but just b/c the people you know don't like it, does not mean the majority doesn't.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:51 PM   #142
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I would not call this a law approved by the voters. This was a law rammed down the throats of the people by a party that refused to negotiate back then. The majority of americans disapproved of it then as they do now.

Yeah Obama got reelected but it wasn't health care that got him reelected.
There's never one single thing. But there was a choice--the guy who "rammed" it down our throats or the guy who pledged to repeal it on Day 1.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:55 PM   #143
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There's never one single thing. But there was a choice--the guy who "rammed" it down our throats or the guy who pledged to repeal it on Day 1.
The liberal press told me that it was more about homosexuals and abortion and racism or some shit.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:58 PM   #145
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Ok pal. I'm sure you and the majority of the peope you know don't like it, but just b/c the people you know don't like it, does not mean the majority doesn't.
Yeah go ahead a buy the hype I have yet to see a poll that showed the majority of those citizens polled was in favor of the ACA.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/obam...6/28/id/443795

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3342457.html
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Old 10-03-2013, 11:01 PM   #146
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There's never one single thing. But there was a choice--the guy who "rammed" it down our throats or the guy who pledged to repeal it on Day 1.
I agree, Mitt was as bad a choice as McCain the election before. IMHO that is a major problem with the GOP
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Old 10-03-2013, 11:13 PM   #147
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Yeah go ahead a buy the hype I have yet to see a poll that showed the majority of those citizens polled was in favor of the ACA.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/obam...6/28/id/443795

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3342457.html
What percentage of those old are people dropped from their provider, denied coverage, denied treatment, or are uninsureable? What percentage have loved ones that for in that category? What percentage can't afford traditional private healthcare?

What percentage understand how it will actually works to make things more affordable in the future?

What percentage of the polls you read are from biased sources?

There are shitloads of people who will benefit. They likely approve.
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Old 10-03-2013, 11:14 PM   #148
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I agree, Mitt was as bad a choice as McCain the election before. IMHO that is a major problem with the GOP
They use the entire primary process to beat down new ideas and push forth $#itty candidates?...
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What percentage of those old are people dropped from their provider, denied coverage, denied treatment, or are uninsureable? What percentage have loved ones that for in that category? What percentage can't afford traditional private healthcare?

What percentage understand how it will actually works to make things more affordable in the future?

What percentage of the polls you read are from biased sources?

There are shitloads of people who will benefit. They likely approve.
I figured you would counter with the biased source retort thats why I went with a Huffington Post poll. Just about as left as you can get.

Even the Union officials who pushed their members to support Obama have been crying about the implementation of the ACA. They claim it going to kill the middle class. Of course they been about as quiet as church mice lately. I wonder if they have some under the radar promise coming to them?

You want to know what percentage of those that oppose it understand how it really works? Well I would like to know how many that support it understand how it really works. There are going to be shitloads paying several hundred dollars a year and still have to pay the Doctors and hospitals out of pocket before meeting their deductible. And they are not going to be happy about it.
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