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Old 10-03-2013, 04:02 PM  
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Should we default on the nation's debts over Obamacare?

Take whatever position you want: that you want Obamacare repealed, that you want a couple parts of it repealed, that you want it to be delayed...

Whatever position you anti-ACAers adopt these days, and answer this question:

Do you believe we should default on our debts because Obamacare is being implemented in its current form?
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:53 PM   #106
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Seems to me he's trying to UNTIE Obamacare from the debt ceiling. You have it exactly backwards, which is not unusual.
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:53 PM   #107
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No, you missed the number one reason we might go into default.....Obama has tied a debt ceiling increase into Obamacare.
Answer a different question with an incorrect statement what?
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:55 PM   #108
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Perhaps other than the criminally insane, I've never seen people so detached from reality.
The feedback inside the echo chamber is a powerful force.
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:55 PM   #109
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This "issue" will be gone and forgotten before we know it.
Yes, when the Republicans fold like the no leverage having bitches they are. I don't it will be forgotten though. We'll find out in coming elections I guess.
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:56 PM   #110
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Fixed the autocorrect typos.
Nah, I caught them after I posted.
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:56 PM   #111
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Yes, when the Republicans fold like the no leverage having bitches they are.
I wouldn't say they don't have leverage.


This thing wouldn't be happening if they didn't have leverage.
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:58 PM   #112
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Only in the democracktic world does not taking on more debt get you in trouble.
So default and take on more debt through raised interest rates?
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:00 PM   #113
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Should we quit paying for medical care for the elderly? Doctors should give free care or sick old people should die?

Should we quit defending our nation?

I'll stop with those two because you could not do those things and service the debt.
If you are referring to to MEDICARE, like Social Security, still brings in more annually than expenditures and is expected to be solvent until 2026. My earlier numbers did not include Medicare receipts as part of the tax revenue.

The expected budget for DOD, foreign military aid, and similar programs is expected to be about $700 Billion in 2014. You would certainly agree that we could cut that amount significantly and still be secure as a nation.

edit: The claim that if the debt ceiling is not raised the US will immediately go into default is demonstrably false.
Long term, decisions will have to be made. The US cannot continue to get a higher balance on the credit card to meet ever expanding payments. (devaluation of the currency is an option, but another discussion).
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:00 PM   #114
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The linked article states that after the govt is restored and the debt ceiling addressed, they are willing to talk medicare and social security reforms.

I dont think they were talking about the affordable care act in this article.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:01 PM   #115
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I wouldn't say they don't have leverage.


This thing wouldn't be happening if they didn't have leverage.
They have zero leverage. They think government shutdown and debt default is leverage?
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:01 PM   #116
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Nah, I caught them after I posted.
Me too.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:03 PM   #117
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If you are referring to to MEDICARE, like Social Security, still brings in more annually than expenditures and is expected to be solvent until 2026. My earlier numbers did not include Medicare receipts as part of the tax revenue.

The expected budget for DOD, foreign military aid, and similar programs is expected to be about $700 Billion in 2014. You would certainly agree that we could cut that amount significantly and still be secure as a nation.
DOD could probably stand to be cut in half, yes.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:04 PM   #118
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They have zero leverage. They think government shutdown and debt default is leverage?
Everything would be a done deal if they had zero leverage.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:08 PM   #119
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Everything would be a done deal if they had zero leverage.
I think you're overlooking the "child lying in the middle of the store flailing and screaming for a new toy" tactic's lack of a need for leverage.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:08 PM   #120
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The linked article states that after the govt is restored and the debt ceiling addressed, they are willing to talk medicare and social security reforms.

I dont think they were talking about the affordable care act in this article.
Sure, and I should inspect a house after I buy it instead of before.

No sale. I will be very pleased if Barry and the democrats force the federal government into default.
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