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Old 10-03-2013, 04:02 PM  
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Should we default on the nation's debts over Obamacare?

Take whatever position you want: that you want Obamacare repealed, that you want a couple parts of it repealed, that you want it to be delayed...

Whatever position you anti-ACAers adopt these days, and answer this question:

Do you believe we should default on our debts because Obamacare is being implemented in its current form?
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:10 PM   #121
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Sure, and I should inspect a house after I buy it instead of before.

No sale. I will be very pleased if Barry and the democrats force the federal government into default.
Ridiculous. How you could pin this on the dems is amazing.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:16 PM   #122
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Sure, and I should inspect a house after I buy it instead of before.

No sale. I will be very pleased if Barry and the democrats force the federal government into default.
Oh i dont dispute that republicans would be foolish to think those post-crisis talk are guaranteed to be productive. I was just commenting to mlyons that i had never heard them put the aca on the table.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:21 PM   #123
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Ridiculous. How you could pin this on the dems is amazing.
I would also blame big government Republicans if that makes you feel any better.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:23 PM   #124
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The linked article states that after the govt is restored and the debt ceiling addressed, they are willing to talk medicare and social security reforms.

I dont think they were talking about the affordable care act in this article.
Yeah I misread it. Once again, you straighten me out.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:24 PM   #125
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Seems to me he's trying to UNTIE Obamacare from the debt ceiling. You have it exactly backwards, which is not unusual.
No, you misread it too.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:25 PM   #126
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I would also blame big government Republicans if that makes you feel any better.


You're kind of a whack job aren't ya?!

TEA PARTY! The cause of this debacle.

Ted Cruz, the most hated man on the hill.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:25 PM   #127
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Yeah I misread it. Once again, you straighten me out.
Hey no problem, when im right.

Im sure youll return the favor soon enough.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:26 PM   #128
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god forbid that the democratic party becomes the majority party by a huge margin and we suffer one-party rule for generations...

We are already there with the crybaby, stick their fingers in the ears tactics the Dems are shoving down the American people throats. The Dems are reckless spending habits WILL bankrupt the country sooner than later. You mentioned thugs by the R's, D's ought to look in the mirror.

What the hell gives them the right to think they are above the law, the people and can do anything they want because our dear leader is there butt buddy in the sack ?

This train wreck will be at the bottom of the cliff after it finish leaving the tracks the Dem's have laid out for it. The sad part is, "We The People"
are the passengers and the response team & repairmen.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:30 PM   #129
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You're kind of a whack job aren't ya?!

TEA PARTY! The cause of this debacle.

Ted Cruz, the most hated man on the hill.
I think his point is to look at the combination of people who got us to 16 trillion $ in overall debt. And yes, it was democrats (under dem presidents for a total of 4 years under clinton and obama), and what he is calling "big government republicans". If we didnt have the unsustainable debt, no one would be trying to shut down anything.

But i would also lay two unpaid for wars and unpaid for tax cuts at their feet too.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:31 PM   #130
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Hey no problem, when im right.

Im sure youll return the favor soon enough.
Can't think of anytime I have. Maybe if you wouldn't fall off the face of the earth for months I'd get a better chance.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:33 PM   #131
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You're kind of a whack job aren't ya?!

TEA PARTY! The cause of this debacle.

Ted Cruz, the most hated man on the hill.
Is he? I don't pay any attention to the personalities. I'm retired from voting.

I'm just a spectator who's curious to see what happens when we've been promised chaos and nothing much happens.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:33 PM   #132
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We are already there with the crybaby, stick their fingers in the ears tactics the Dems are shoving down the American people throats. The Dems are reckless spending habits WILL bankrupt the country sooner than later. You mentioned thugs by the R's, D's ought to look in the mirror.

What the hell gives them the right to think they are above the law, the people and can do anything they want because our dear leader is there butt buddy in the sack ?

This train wreck will be at the bottom of the cliff after it finish leaving the tracks the Dem's have laid out for it. The sad part is, "We The People"
are the passengers and the response team & repairmen.
Shoved it right down our throats didn't they? We only voted for it twice.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:35 PM   #133
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Is he? I don't pay any attention to the personalities. I'm retired from voting.
Good for you. But yes. Everyone hates him except his fellow tea partiers. He won't make it far.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:35 PM   #134
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We are already there with the crybaby, stick their fingers in the ears tactics the Dems are shoving down the American people throats. The Dems are reckless spending habits WILL bankrupt the country sooner than later. You mentioned thugs by the R's, D's ought to look in the mirror.

What the hell gives them the right to think they are above the law, the people and can do anything they want because our dear leader is there butt buddy in the sack ?

This train wreck will be at the bottom of the cliff after it finish leaving the tracks the Dem's have laid out for it. The sad part is, "We The People"
are the passengers and the response team & repairmen.
We've all seen what republicans think of as fiscal responsibility. Go sell that shit somewhere else.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:36 PM   #135
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I think you're overlooking the "child lying in the middle of the store flailing and screaming for a new toy" tactic's lack of a need for leverage.
Usually the child is the one stamping their feet and crying not trying to negotiate. Its usually the parent trying to negotiate with the child lying in the middle of the floor throwing the fit. At least thats what I have noticed.
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