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Old 10-04-2013, 04:04 PM  
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Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

House Democratic leaders believe they have hit on a new way to potentially force House Republican leaders into allowing a vote on a “clean CR” funding the government without any defunding of Obamacare attached.

At last count, as many as two dozen House Republicans appear prepared to vote for a clean CR. With Democrats included, that means a majority of the House of Representatives would vote right now to reopen the government. But the House GOP leadership won’t allow such a vote.

Dems have hit on a way to use a “discharge petition,” which forces a House vote if a majority of Representatives signs it, to try to force the issue. Previously, it was thought this could not work, because a discharge petition takes 30 legislative days to ripen, so if this were tried with the clean CR that passed the Senate, this couldn’t bear fruit until some time in November.

But now House Democrats say they have found a previously filed bill to use as a discharge petition — one that would fund the government at sequester levels.

The bill in question is the “Government Shutdown Prevention Act,” which was introduced in March by GOP Rep. James Lankford of Oklahoma. As the Congressman’s release describes it:

"If Congress fails to approve a budget by the end of each fiscal year, the Government Shutdown Prevention Act would ensure that all operations remain running normally without any interruption of services by automatically triggering a continuing resolution (CR) or short-term, stop-gap spending device. The bill creates an automatic CR for any regular appropriations bill not completed before the end of the fiscal year. After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days."

This afternoon, Dem Reps. Chris Van Hollen and George Miller will announce that they are introducing a discharge petition for the Lankford bill. They will discuss the procedural ins and outs of this move. The upshot: Once the petition is filed, they will begin rounding up signatures from both Democrats and Republicans. If they can get 218 signatures, a House vote to reopen the government will happen.

Dems say that if they get enough signatures, they’d be able to force a vote by October 14th. Given that House Republicans are now talking about letting the government shutdown battle spill into the fight over the debt limit — which expires on October 17th — it’s very possible the government could still be closed at that point.

At a minimum, this should ramp up pressure on moderate Republicans who say they want a vote on a clean CR to make good on their public statements. Presumably, House Republican leaders would put pressure on them not to sign the discharge petition, throwing House GOP intransigence into even sharper relief.
Indeed, Democrats will point out that Republicans have previously supported using clean CRs to avert shutdowns in the past, as Roll Call detailed today. This discharge petition would provide them with a vehicle to do just that, even if the House GOP leadership remains opposed to allowing any vote. It will also be interesting to see how Senate Republicans who supported the clean CR in the Upper Chamber — some of whom are reportedly growing impatient with the degree to which conservatives are dictating House GOP strategy — will react.

The irony here, of course, is that Dems are effectively hijacking a Republican bill in an effort to undercut the whole House GOP strategy.
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UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.


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Old 10-05-2013, 07:17 AM   #16
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They have names for unofficial rules? Wouldn't it be called something other than a rule?

Can you restate this in English?...."Therefore, even though there are members of Republicans who will actually work with Democrats and fund the government, unless the Majority of Republicans get do, the bill will never see the light of day."
It's an unofficial rule because it controls the actions of the Republican party without being actual House Rule.

It "is an informal governing principle used by Republican Speakers of the House of Representatives since the mid-1990s to maintain their speakerships[1] and limit the power of the minority party to bring bills up for a vote on the floor of the House.[2] Under the doctrine, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives will not allow a vote on a bill unless a majority of the majority party supports the bill."


"On the negative side, when combined with a systematic effort to marginalize the influence of the minority power, it can lead to a breakdown of the legislative process, radicalization of the members of the minority party, and legislation that does not reflect the broadest view and area of agreement.[2]"

It is one of the best examples how Republicans are unwilling to fund the government because the Speaker won't even bring a Clean CR bill up for a vote even though it may have a majority of support from both Dems and Reps.
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Old 10-05-2013, 07:20 AM   #17
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Dems probably want/need to do something as Obamas approval takes a serious nosedive:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Ga...-Approval.aspx

52% disapprove
41% approve

As of October 3, 2013.
Oh yea, because he running for office again.

Wait... here is something interesting...

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Sixty-nine percent said that the GOP is acting like "spoiled children" in the budget fight
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Forty-six percent of respondents would blame congressional Republicans, 36 percent would blame Obama
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_4016014.html
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Old 10-05-2013, 07:53 AM   #18
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Oh yea, because he running for office again.

Wait... here is something interesting...



and



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_4016014.html

So what poll are you interested in. The gallup one is done every week and seems to be statistically solid and has been tested pretty hard. Huffpo? Really?
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Old 10-05-2013, 07:58 AM   #19
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So what poll are you interested in. The gallup one is done every week and seems to be statistically solid and has been tested pretty hard. Huffpo? Really?
Gallup doesn't ask who do you blame for the shut down.
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Gallup doesn't ask who do you blame for the shut down.

Really? No Shit?
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Gallup doesn't ask who do you blame for the shut down.
Well, like the Dems said, they don't care about how long the shutdown goes on because they are "winning"
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Well, like the Dems said, they don't care about how long the shutdown goes on because they are "winning"
You got Dems confused with Republicans again:

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Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) were caught on a hot mic Wednesday night while discussing their party's messaging on the government shutdown.

"I think if we keep saying 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that but now we're willing to compromise on this,' I think they can't -- we're gonna, I think -- well I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this I think," he (Paul)said.
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Oh yea, because he running for office again.

Wait... here is something interesting...



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Quick someone post a right wing slanted poll. That way we can read two bullshit spun polls reflecting equal bias~
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I'm confused. If a majority wants to vote on the issue, why not have a vote?
The same reason it didn't always happen when Nancy Pelosi was the Speaker. The Speaker runs the show. That's how our system has worked for our entire lifetimes.
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Quick someone post a right wing slanted poll. That way we can read two bullshit spun polls reflecting equal bias~
Or you could just, you know, find one and post it yourself.
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Or you could just, you know, find one and post it yourself.
I am not interested in either parties spin~
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You got Dems confused with Republicans again:



http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...strategy-video
You are the one who is confused. No where does either senator say that they do not care how long the shut down lasts. A White House staffer DID say that.
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I am not interested in either parties spin~
And I bet you think all polls are biased, right...
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You are the one who is confused. No where does either senator say that they do not care how long the shut down lasts. A White House staffer DID say that.
Oh a white house staffer? Wow this changes everything.

That is so much more important than Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Sen. Rand Paul.

I mean, that white house staffer much have gobs of influence to get things done.

Wow. So important he doesn't even have a name, just call him be the vague white house staffer.
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The same reason it didn't always happen when Nancy Pelosi was the Speaker. The Speaker runs the show. That's how our system has worked for our entire lifetimes.
No, it is not how it has been working for our entire lifetime, unless you are only twenty years old.
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