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Old 10-04-2013, 04:04 PM  
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Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

House Democratic leaders believe they have hit on a new way to potentially force House Republican leaders into allowing a vote on a “clean CR” funding the government without any defunding of Obamacare attached.

At last count, as many as two dozen House Republicans appear prepared to vote for a clean CR. With Democrats included, that means a majority of the House of Representatives would vote right now to reopen the government. But the House GOP leadership won’t allow such a vote.

Dems have hit on a way to use a “discharge petition,” which forces a House vote if a majority of Representatives signs it, to try to force the issue. Previously, it was thought this could not work, because a discharge petition takes 30 legislative days to ripen, so if this were tried with the clean CR that passed the Senate, this couldn’t bear fruit until some time in November.

But now House Democrats say they have found a previously filed bill to use as a discharge petition — one that would fund the government at sequester levels.

The bill in question is the “Government Shutdown Prevention Act,” which was introduced in March by GOP Rep. James Lankford of Oklahoma. As the Congressman’s release describes it:

"If Congress fails to approve a budget by the end of each fiscal year, the Government Shutdown Prevention Act would ensure that all operations remain running normally without any interruption of services by automatically triggering a continuing resolution (CR) or short-term, stop-gap spending device. The bill creates an automatic CR for any regular appropriations bill not completed before the end of the fiscal year. After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days."

This afternoon, Dem Reps. Chris Van Hollen and George Miller will announce that they are introducing a discharge petition for the Lankford bill. They will discuss the procedural ins and outs of this move. The upshot: Once the petition is filed, they will begin rounding up signatures from both Democrats and Republicans. If they can get 218 signatures, a House vote to reopen the government will happen.

Dems say that if they get enough signatures, they’d be able to force a vote by October 14th. Given that House Republicans are now talking about letting the government shutdown battle spill into the fight over the debt limit — which expires on October 17th — it’s very possible the government could still be closed at that point.

At a minimum, this should ramp up pressure on moderate Republicans who say they want a vote on a clean CR to make good on their public statements. Presumably, House Republican leaders would put pressure on them not to sign the discharge petition, throwing House GOP intransigence into even sharper relief.
Indeed, Democrats will point out that Republicans have previously supported using clean CRs to avert shutdowns in the past, as Roll Call detailed today. This discharge petition would provide them with a vehicle to do just that, even if the House GOP leadership remains opposed to allowing any vote. It will also be interesting to see how Senate Republicans who supported the clean CR in the Upper Chamber — some of whom are reportedly growing impatient with the degree to which conservatives are dictating House GOP strategy — will react.

The irony here, of course, is that Dems are effectively hijacking a Republican bill in an effort to undercut the whole House GOP strategy.
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UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.


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Old 10-05-2013, 10:11 AM   #31
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Oh a white house staffer? Wow this changes everything.

That is so much more important than Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Sen. Rand Paul.

I mean, that white house staffer much have gobs of influence to get things done.

Wow. So important he doesn't even have a name, just call him be the vague white house staffer.
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:13 AM   #32
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Oh a white house staffer? Wow this changes everything.

That is so much more important than Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Sen. Rand Paul.

I mean, that white house staffer much have gobs of influence to get things done.

Wow. So important he doesn't even have a name, just call him be the vague white house staffer.
He/she asked to be quoted anonymously. Bitch at him/her for being to chicken shit to share his or her name.

The only common ground between the two quotes is that both claimed to be winning, or have a chance to win. Where the quotes part company is the senators said they DID NOT want to be in this situation. The staffer said he/she DIDN'T CARE how long it went on for.

Take your terrible attempt at a spin else where. It'll get no play here.
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:13 AM   #33
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Great rebuttal.

Can't even be bothered to link to this mysterious white house staffer who controls obama?
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:17 AM   #34
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Great rebuttal.

Can't even be bothered to link to this mysterious white house staffer who controls obama?
Here is a link, I even chose a liberal site for you. I must however make a correction. It was not a staffer but, "a senior White House official" who made the remark.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4043961.html
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:17 AM   #35
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He/she asked to be quoted anonymously. Bitch at him/her for being to chicken shit to share his or her name.

The only common ground between the two quotes is that both claimed to be winning, or have a chance to win. Where the quotes part company is the senators said they DID NOT want to be in this situation. The staffer said he/she DIDN'T CARE how long it went on for.

Take your terrible attempt at a spin else where. It'll get no play here.
Actually, the Republican quote is about how to win the propaganda fight. I would encourage you to read up on it.

You know, party leaders discussing how to manipulate the message for their benefit. Not some random staffer giving their thoughts.

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Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) were caught on a hot mic Wednesday night while discussing their party's messaging on the government shutdown.

I just did CNN and I just go over and over again 'We're willing to compromise, we're willing to negotiate.' I think -- I don't think they poll tested 'we won't negotiate.' I think it's awful for them to say that over and over again," Paul said

In the video recording, Paul was confident that the GOP's pivot from demanding Obamacare be defunded to seeking out compromise would succeed.
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:19 AM   #36
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Here is a link, I even chose a liberal site for you. I must however make a correction. It was not a staffer but, "a senior White House official" who made the remark.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4043961.html
Hey, you are starting to understand that you have to at least link to things.

Good job.

But why should I care what some staffer thinks again? When I have actual republican leaders saying worse?
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:22 AM   #37
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Actually, the Republican quote is about how to win the propaganda fight. I would encourage you to read up on it.

You know, party leaders discussing how to manipulate the message for their benefit. Not some random staffer giving their thoughts.
I have read up on it. It does not change the FACT that they said they DID NOT want to be in the situation they were in. The exact opposite of what the White House official said.

The two are not comparable, no matter how much you try to spin it as such.
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I have read up on it. It does not change the FACT that they said they DID NOT want to be in the situation they were in. The exact opposite of what the White House official said.

The two are not comparable, no matter how much you try to spin it as such.
Yup one is White house staffer who has not control over this and just like we do here, can give his opinion about it, though he probable shouldn't

The other is Two Congressional Republican leaders talking about how to spin their message from defund ObamaCare to compromise because they think that message will be a winning strategy for them.
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Hey, you are starting to understand that you have to at least link to things.

Good job.

But why should I care what some staffer thinks again? When I have actual republican leaders saying worse?
GFY. This was a major story, and I highly doubt that actually needed the leak as I am sure you were already familiar with it.

We don't want to be here is worse than we don't care how long it lasts. /said no one but partisan political hacks
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Yup one is White house staffer who has not control over this and just like we do here, can give his opinion about it, though he probable shouldn't

The other is Two Congressional Republican leaders talking about how to spin their message from defund ObamaCare to compromise because they think that message will be a winning strategy for them.
And I didn't think you could possibly look like a bigger tool after your Civil War stance. Guess I was wrong.
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GFY. This was a major story, and I highly doubt that actually needed the leak as I am sure you were already familiar with it.

We don't want to be here is worse than we don't care how long it lasts. /said no one but partisan political hacks
No one usually cares what some staffer thinks.

But continue to think this is important.
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And I didn't think you could possibly look like a bigger tool after your Civil War stance. Guess I was wrong.
If you want to care more about an unnamed staffer rather than members of congress, go ahead.

But hey, I got news for you. That staffer can't affect this. Congress can.

Those of us who aren't stupid will continue to pay attention to what Congress says.
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Quick someone post a right wing slanted poll. That way we can read two bullshit spun polls reflecting equal bias~
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If you want to care more about an unnamed staffer rather than members of congress, go ahead.

But hey, I got news for you. That staffer can't affect this. Congress can.

Those of us who aren't stupid will continue to pay attention to what Congress says.
You really are a special kind of stupid, aren't you?
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No, it is not how it has been working for our entire lifetime, unless you are only twenty years old.
Yes it is. You are fixated on the so-called Hastert Rule without recognizing why the Hastert Rule can exist. The Speaker decides on which bills to bring to a vote. That was true before Hastert and Speakers kept bills that could have potentially won a majority on the shelf before Hastert too.

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