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US Commando Raids Target Islamist Leaders In Africa

US commando raids target Islamist leaders in Africa
5 October 2013 Last updated at 22:18 ET

Anas al-Libi Al-Libi has been on the FBI's most wanted list



US special forces have carried out two separate raids in Africa targeting senior Islamist militants, American officials say.

In Libya, US commandos captured an al-Qaeda leader accused of the 1998 bombings of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

Anas al-Libi was reportedly seized in the capital Tripoli.

And a leader of the al-Shabab group was targeted in southern Somalia, but that raid appears to have failed.

The al-Shabab leader - who has not been identified - is suspected of involvement in last month's attack in the Westgate shopping centre in Kenya's capital Nairobi, which left at least 67 people dead.

Anas al-Libi's relatives and US officials said he had been seized in the Libyan capital early on Saturday.

He was parking outside his house when three vehicles encircled him, his car's window was smashed and his gun was seized before he was taken away, his brother Nabih was quoted as saying by AP.

He added that Libi's wife wife also saw the attack, describing the abductors as foreign-looking "commandos".

The raid was conducted with the knowledge of the Libyan government, a US official was quoted as saying by CNN.
Kenyan security guards at the scene of the bombing near the US embassy in Nairobi. Photo: August 1998 More than 220 people died in the 1998 embassy attack in Kenya and Tanzania

US officials later said that the suspect was no longer in Libya, without elaborating further.

The 49-year-old is believed to be one of the masterminds of the 1998 US embassy attacks, which killed more than 220 people in Kenya and Tanzania.

He has been indicted in New York's court in connection with the attacks.

Libi - whose real name is Nazih Abdul-Hamed al-Ruqai- has been on the FBI's most wanted list for more than a decade with a $5m (3.1m) bounty on his head.

Al-Qaeda's leadership has been consistently targeted since the killing of Osama Bin Laden by US special forces in 2011 in Pakistan.

Meanwhile, the US defence department confirmed that special forces had carried out a seaborne in the southern coastal town of Barawe.

Pentagon spokesman George Little said the forces "were involved in a counter-terrorism operation against a known al-Shabab terrorist". He declined to provide any further details.

Initial reports in the US media quoted unnamed US officials as saying that the suspect had been captured or killed by US Navy Seals in Somalia in the pre-dawn raid.

However, the officials later said that the Seals failed to find the intended target, who was not identified.

"The Barawe raid was planned a week and a half ago," a US security official told the New York Times.

"It was prompted by the Westgate attack," added the official, who was speaking on the condition of anonymity.

Al-Shabab earlier told the BBC that "white soldiers" had arrived by boat in Barawe and rebels had repulsed them, losing a fighter.

Local group commander Mohamed Abu Suleiman said the raid had failed and the group remained in control of Barawe.

Both Britain and Turkey deny al-Shabab claims that their forces were involved in the operation.

Barawe residents said say they were woken up by heavy fighting before dawn.

"Gunfire broke out for about 10-15 minutes," an eyewitness told AFP news agency.

Al-Shabab has said it carried out the attack in the Westgate shopping centre in Nairobi on 21 September.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24417099
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:23 PM   #61
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3000+ Americans dead. 10000 maimed, 100000 injured, 30000 suicides of Iraq veterans and 2 MILLION in civilian deaths. At least $3 TRILLION spent. I don't see any reason to thanking anyone.

Maybe in the future they will be a threat. Thats not a valid reason for the cost we paid in blood and treasure?
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3000+ Americans dead. 10000 maimed, 100000 injured, 30000 suicides of Iraq veterans and 2 MILLION in civilian deaths. At least $3 TRILLION spent. I don't see any reason to thanking anyone.

Maybe in the future they will be a threat. Thats not a valid reason for the cost we paid in blood and treasure?
War sucks, but if you're going to fight one, you might as well maximize your return. The payoff for Iraq would have been much greater if your guy, Barack Obama, hadn't squandered the gains made at the cost of all that blood and treasure. Obama treated those lives as trivial and pissed all over the victory they achieved. **** Obama.
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Its all Bushes fault we went to war. Bush circumvented Congress . He & he alone,is to be blamed for all the Big Red Bloody Vagina's.
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President George Bush, surrounded by leaders of the House and Senate, announces the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq, October 2, 2002.
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Congress Authorizes Gulf War : Historic act: The vote in both houses, supporting Bush and freeing troops to attack Iraq, is decisive and bipartisan. It is the strongest move since Tonkin Gulf.


January 13, 1991|SARA FRITZ and WILLIAM J. EATON | TIMES STAFF WRITERS

WASHINGTON The Democratic-controlled Congress, closing ranks behind President Bush at a crucial moment in American history, voted Saturday to authorize U.S. troops to attack Iraq as early as Wednesday.

Bush's victory was decisive and bipartisan, even though the authorization was strongly opposed by the Democratic leadership and most aspirants for the Democratic presidential nomination. Many Democrats abandoned their party leaders, and Republicans were nearly unanimous in support of the President.

The Senate adopted the resolution 52 to 47; the House vote was 250 to 183.

The action was the most explicit authorization of war by Congress since the Tonkin Gulf Resolution approved U.S. military involvement in Vietnam in 1964. And it was a pivotal event in the presidency of George Bush, who already has committed nearly 400,000 American troops to the Persian Gulf.

Before approving the joint resolution authorizing use of force, the House and Senate each soundly rejected an alternative measure proposed by the Democratic leadership that called on Bush to continue relying on economic sanctions instead. The sanctions resolution lost 53 to 46 in the Senate and 250 to 183 in the House.

At the White House, Bush said the congressional authorization will demonstrate to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein the resolve of the United States to use force if Iraq fails to withdraw from Kuwait by midnight Tuesday, the deadline imposed by the United Nations.

"Peace is everyone's goal," Bush said. "Peace is in everyone's prayers. But it is for Iraq to decide."

Bush, who watched some of the debate on television, congratulated Congress for its decorum and for demonstrating neither the rancor nor the jubilation that often follow a hard-fought partisan contest.

While Bush said he still hopes a military confrontation can be averted, there appeared to be little doubt among members of Congress that the nation is on the brink of war. "I am afraid the decision has already been made for a massive use of force," said Sen. Herbert Kohl (D-Wis.).

Nor was there any doubt expressed that the United States would win.

Nevertheless, despite the decisive margin of support for the President's policy, it was clear that most members of Congress--including many who voted to authorize force--feel that Bush would be making a tragic mistake to expend thousands of American lives to liberate Kuwait.

"No one wants war," said Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole (R-Kan.), who lost the use of his right arm in World War II. "No one abhors war more than those of us who have fought in one. No one wants a single American--or for that matter, a single Iraqi--to die."

Many lawmakers cautioned Bush that it would be foolish to go to war without a national consensus favoring such action. "Even if you win today, you still lose," declared Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.). "The nation is divided on this issue."

The vote came as the climax of three days of emotional debate--the longest House debate, in fact, in the history of that chamber. But the outcome was never in doubt, and there was a sense of solemn resignation as members cast what many said was the toughest vote of their political careers.

"I've cast 12,822 votes during my 39 years in Congress," remarked Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-W.Va.). "But this vote is the most important vote that I shall have cast in my career."

The vote marked the beginning of a Senate career of John Seymour (R-Calif.), who was sworn in earlier this week as Gov. Pete Wilson's successor. He voted with the President. Sen. Alan Cranston (D-Calif.), who would have opposed Bush had he not been undergoing treatment for prostate cancer in California, was the only absent senator.

Some speakers stressed that the three-page resolution adopted by Congress is tantamount to a declaration of war, even though it was not technically drafted as one. Based on the U.N. Security Council resolution adopted Nov. 29, it gives the President authorization to use force any time after Tuesday, but only if he notifies Congress that his diplomatic efforts have failed.

Even though the United States has been involved in about 200 armed conflicts, the Congress has formally declared war only five times: against Great Britain in 1812, Mexico in 1846 and Spain in 1898, as well as in the two world wars.

In the past, when Congress has authorized the use of military force, the vote usually has been overwhelming. According to Sen. Paul Simon (D-Ill.), the Senate vote was the narrowest margin since authorization of the War of 1812.

Bush's resolution was legally similar to the 1964 Tonkin Gulf Resolution, which permitted President Lyndon B. Johnson to escalate the war in Vietnam. And some Democrats argued that Bush has deceived Congress about the threat to U.S. interests in the Persian Gulf, much as they contend that Johnson exaggerated the threat to American forces in Vietnam.

Senate Majority Leader George J. Mitchell (D-Me.) repeatedly referred to the resolution as "a blank check"--the term often used to describe the Tonkin Gulf Resolution.

While the memory of the Vietnam War clearly haunted many members of Congress as they deliberated, it was obvious that the fears of armed conflict that dominated congressional decision-making in the post-Vietnam period had been dispelled.

Rep. Philip R. Sharp (D-Ind.) noted that the bitter memory of Vietnam has given way to the more recent success of U.S. forces in Grenada, Panama and Libya.

In fact, the lessons of Vietnam were used by both sides to bolster their arguments.

To supporters of the President, the central lesson of Vietnam was that the United States should never again commit troops to a war that it does not intend to win. They encouraged the President to hit Iraq with a massive air strike and use everything short of nuclear weapons if he chooses to wage war.

To his opponents, the lesson was that the United States should never enter into a war without overwhelming support in Congress and the nation. "Do we really want to go to war with a country so deeply divided on the issue--and it is deeply divided?" asked Rep. David E. Bonier (D-Mich.), a Vietnam veteran.

Veterans of the Vietnam conflict found themselves on both sides of the issue. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a former Navy pilot who spent five years in a Hanoi POW camp, voted with Bush; Rep. Douglas Peterson (D-Fla.), another former POW, voted against the resolution.

McCain made no mention of his experiences, but Peterson said he vowed during his seven years of captivity to oppose any future commitment of U.S. troops without popular support.

Surprisingly, a number of former anti-war activists from the Vietnam War era were in the President's camp. One congressman who entered politics in order to oppose the war in Vietnam, Rep. Stephen J. Solarz (D-N.Y.), was the chief Democratic sponsor of the war resolution. Solarz acknowledged that he never expected to be arguing in Congress to go to war.

But World War II--not Vietnam--seemed to be the historical model that dominated the debate. Like Bush, many members compared Hussein to Adolf Hitler and noted that the lives of millions of people could have been saved if Hitler had been stopped sooner.

Solarz likened the situation in the Persian Gulf to Munich, where the allies sought to appease Hitler. "The great lesson of our times is that evil still exists," he said, "and when evil is on the march it must be confronted."

While the Persian Gulf has been portrayed by Bush as a "defining moment" for the post-Cold War era, Democrats criticized the President for ignoring the lesson of 40 years of U.S.-Soviet tension, during which--in Simon's words--"we were firm and tough and patient and we won."

By setting a deadline for Iraq's withdrawal from Kuwait, Bush left Congress with little room to maneuver. The President's supporters emphasized repeatedly that Iraq would be encouraged to stay in Kuwait if Congress rejected a request for authorization to use force.

Most Democrats who opposed the President said they do not oppose use of force against Iraq in any circumstances, but they feel Bush is being precipitous in threatening to attack now before economic sanctions have succeeded in leaving that country helpless to wage war.

But even though Democratic leaders opposed the resolution, 10 Democratic senators and 86 House Democrats defected from their party leaders' position. Most of them were Southern conservatives, staunch supporters of Israel and pro-defense Democrats.

Those who supported the resolution argued that the United States could not delay the use of force because it would undermine the morale of U.S. forces and permit a disintegration of the international coalition against Iraq.

Moreover, they said, Bush can be trusted to use the authorization in a way that will avert war. "President Bush is not a gun-slinger, he is not a Rambo," said Rep. Rod Chandler (R-Wash.).

Mitchell and House Speaker Thomas S. Foley (D-Wash.) led the battle against the President, with strong backing from Sen. Sam Nunn (D-Ga.), the leading defense expert among congressional Democrats. Their followers included conservatives as well as liberals--including some pro-Israel members--and all but one of the Democrats mentioned as potential presidential nominees in 1992.

Of the presidential aspirants, only Sen. Albert Gore Jr. (D-Tenn.) defied party leaders. And of the 26 California Democrats in the House, six voted with the President while one--Rep. Mervyn M. Dymally (D-Compton)--was absent.

Not only did the Democratic leaders fail to hold their members together, they had little success in appealing to Republican votes. In the Senate, only Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) voted with the Democrats on both resolutions. In the House, the President had only three Republican opponents: newly elected California Rep. Frank D. Riggs (R-Windsor) and Reps. Constance Morrella (R-Md.) and Silvio Conte (R-Conn.).

The purest anti-war stance was taken by Sen. Mark O. Hatfield (R-Ore.), who voted against both the resolution authorization force and the Democratic alternative urging continued reliance on sanctions. He pleaded with Bush to pull U.S. forces out of the Persian Gulf.

"This is not a war we--as a nation--are prepared to fight," Hatfield cautioned. "Not for oil or pride or anything else. Not now. Not ever. We may have the firepower, but we do not have the will."

Yet Hatfield was by no means the only speaker who emphasized the horrors of war.

Sen. Alan J. Dixon (D-Ill.) told of how his neighbor had learned of the death of a son. Even before he was informed, he screamed aloud when he spied a uniformed military courier approaching him: "My God, they've killed my son!"

Like many, Rep. Mary Rose Okar (D-Ohio) warned that an attack on Iraq could spark a conflagration in the Middle East. "There will be no surgical strike against Saddam Hussein--there will be a world war of untold dimensions," she said.

Although the resolution was not worded as a formal war declaration, Rep. Dante Fascell (D-Fla.), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, reminded members that the effect could be the same.

"You are empowering the President to use the awesome military might of the United States," he said. "There's no doubt about it and there's no tomorrow about it."

Bush has never conceded he needs congressional approval to go to war, even though the Constitution invests in Congress the right to declare war. Democrats and Republicans saw Saturday's vote as a reassertion of congressional prerogatives, and the House underscored that point by voting 301 to 131 for a resolution restating the language of the Constitution.

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-01-...1_persian-gulf
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What we need to to is come to consensus between both sides here on the forum. Lets start naming names at the top of the political and financial food chain and work our way downward . One democrat and one republican led up to the gallows at the same time. I am trying to make some peace here dammit you give to get.Think of all the lives we can save.
I'm against executing our leaders. Even Barack Obama doesn't deserve that. He just deserves impeachment.
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I'm against executing our leaders. Even Barack Obama doesn't deserve that. He just deserves impeachment.
Are we talking treason?
Treason is a capital offense. & still needs to be treated as such.
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Treason is a capital offense. & still needs to be treated as such.
There really isn't any benefit to killing politicians. We put them there. Just stop voting for douchebags.
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Well , I can see how a person might feel that way . On the other hand I can see how a person who identifies with people who Obama is responsible for killing seeing it another way . The old saying goes one man does is considered murder and he is punished where as if a nation does it ....... Corporations work similarly in that they can cause all kinds of death and suffering and get away with it.

Like I said I can see how you feel , but if enough people feel the other way what you have is a revolution /civl war type situation . Now I realize this is where i am getting heat here because that is some serious shizzle to deal with but we are all adults here , and Chiefs fans . We should be able to stare into the abyss .... and BTW I wouldnt reccomend doing that .... its not good for ones health. But we should at least be able to be willing to think about the realities we are facing. Tech is advancing really fast and not in the best interests of simple folks . Now if I tell you from what I know about kids and computer know how the system is ripe with back doors and the likes for hackers to mess with dont take it like I am involved. I am not , I am simply pointing out how there is an invisible war going on and the Governement is scared enough to load up an ammo for killing people in the US.

Lets take a walk down memory lane cause in the good ol days when people from the other side sat down for dinner it wasnt uncommon for the table talk to be about killin the chief . The bottom line here is that we have a history of letting the elite , the politicians and the judges and the rich off the hook and not stringing them up . Now I admit we dont string up child molesters either ... but we should . No matter how much science you put on the peoples plates there comes a time when the scales of justice simply wont tolerate all the bullshit and the balloon payement for blood guilt comes due. The US and thinks it can out tech death and bloodguilt and it cannot . Dont think for a second the people running things wouldnt liketo be able to erase peoples memories. Its cheaper than killin those who are angry with you.

So We may disagree now .... later who knows ? I dont feel any more love for Obama and DC than I do hate for the people who's lives are being destroyed and ended overseas. I hate war and when war and oil and mining are all that matters life really sucks for mother earth. I want it to end as soon as possible. I have not slept well since the Iraq War and even before .I dont think I can unless there is real change . So Peace Bro. And Go Chiefs.
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You really need to take a look at what data mining and algorithm predictions are all about. Everything we do we do online now and with the processing power these data crunching centers have now the media can transmit , gauge the reaction and make adjustments over and over. As far as focus and knowing what I am talking about in this respect .... Hey Everyone who follows the train of thought involving Data mining knows how it ends. As long as we are plugged in to the computers and stuff peopel running the media and all can control what we do and think , some to more of an extent than others. People dont have time to think , computers do that for them. And HI DEF is not regulated as far as layered images as far as I know. So all kinds of subliminal games can be played. A good educated Shrink and Psychologist knows this , but better not make too much fuss. OR ELSE I really dont think these people will be brought to justice in a conventional way . I have no interest in being involved on a personal level with people who are violent . ALl of this being said , the world is ripe for harvest , the good servants will recieve their rewards and those who are evil will recieve their just desserts. I am really curious how it will all work out. Its not like I expect to leave my jammies on the floor and float up into the clouds in rapture. Maybe with my pants on and feet on the ground and my head in the clouds while I play guitar and flutes. They got nothing on me that will stick. Peace to you as well Bro.
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You have much in common with Chriss 666.
You are both anal & brainwashed to the 9th degree
Good luck debunking that
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Old 10-31-2013, 12:34 AM   #73
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"If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq''s weapons of mass destruction program."
-President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
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"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, Feb. 1, 1998
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"There was unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. We also should remember that we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Senator Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct. 10, 2002
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"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
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"When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security and that of our allies in the Persian Gulf region. I will vote yes because I believe it is the best way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable."
-Senator John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002
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"It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein wiill continue to increase his capability to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East which, as we know all too well, affects American security."
-Senator Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
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"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
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Old 10-31-2013, 12:34 AM   #74
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You have much in common with Chriss 666.
You are both anal & brainwashed to the 9th degree
Yeah, I'm so intense and uptight.

Brainwashing is something you probably don't need to worry about.
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Old 10-31-2013, 12:39 AM   #75
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The invasion into Iraq which included troops from the US, UK, Poland, and Australia consisted primarily to disarm Iraq of alleged chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons. This team effort was to ensure Ansar al-Islam, an ally of Al Qaeda, did not get hold of weapons of mass destruction.

In addition, five days into Operation Iraqi Freedom, Muammar Gaddafi gives up nuclear and weapons of mass destruction along with Pakistan.


Side Note: The distinction among US and Al Qaeda and other Al Qaeda affiliates is thus: Americans are famously inattentive to foreign affairs, while Al Qaeda knows more about the US than 98% of American citizens.


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