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Old 10-06-2013, 03:45 AM  
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Why not ObamaCare?

Now, I've been meaning to ask a couple questions for a few days now, especially since the government shutdown.

To me, the whole government shutdown thing seems like the most childish shit on the part of the Republicans. It really seems like it's a "If I can't have what I want, neither can you" situation, like the Republicans care more about their own agenda than what is in the best interest of the people of the US.

The main question I have though, is, what is so bad about ObamaCare? Now, admittedly, I don't know the ins and outs of ObamaCare, but is it not just health-care? If it is, I seriously do not understand what the problem is. It works for so many countries in which healthcare is already in place.

If ObamaCare is not simply just health-care then please educate me as to what the main differences are, and why it is such a "problem".

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Old 10-06-2013, 08:37 AM   #31
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Old 10-06-2013, 08:38 AM   #32
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No, you ****ed my post up. As I said, the majority of the people did not like the law when it was passed. The polls at the time verify this.

The PEOPLE do not like this law. This isn't just about party politics like the democrats and media would have you believe.
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Old 10-06-2013, 08:39 AM   #33
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Has not happened before to my knowledge. Hell, even the former democratic president Clinton didn't pull this stunt. Nor did he barricade open air memorials that are open 24/7.

Scumbag that he was/is, he understood that the power of the government was divided by the Constitution and that he had to negotiate with the other side. Obama is taking the exact opposite approach.
Serious question here. Were there any Democratic Presidents you didn't/don't hate?

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I could've guessed that.
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Old 10-06-2013, 08:40 AM   #34
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Serious question here. Were there any Democratic Presidents you didn't/don't hate?

I could've guessed that.
hate?





hate is what describes Obama's recent actions...
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Old 10-06-2013, 08:40 AM   #35
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No, you ****ed my post up.
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No, you ****ed my post up. As I said, the majority of the people did not like the law when it was passed. The polls at the time verify this.

The PEOPLE do not like this law. This isn't just about party politics like the democrats and media would have you believe.
Okay, I won't argue with you on this one, but none-the-less, it did pass.
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Old 10-06-2013, 08:43 AM   #36
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Serious question here. Were there any Democratic Presidents you didn't/don't hate?

I could've guessed that.
There have only been two in my life time. Slick Willie was a draft dodging corrupt POS. Obama is a dictator wannabe.

So, no, no democratic presidents that I have not/ do not hate.
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Old 10-06-2013, 08:46 AM   #37
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Just a little filter evasion.


Okay, I won't argue with you on this one, but none-the-less, it did pass.
Just because it passed does not mean it cannot be repealed and/or altered.

This country once passed a Constitutional amendment out lapwing the alcohol. It was later repealed. If a Constitutional amendment can be repealed, no law is safe just because it is on the books.
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Just because it passed does not mean it cannot be repealed and/or altered.

This country once passed a Constitutional amendment out lapwing the alcohol. It was later repealed. If a Constitutional amendment can be repealed, no law is safe just because it is on the books.
I know.
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Old 10-06-2013, 08:49 AM   #39
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I know.
Then quit bringing up the useless talking point about it passing. That is irrelevant to the situation at hand.
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Old 10-06-2013, 08:50 AM   #40
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I remember sitting at an outdoor bar downtown in Aruba in 2005. me and my friend struck up a political conversation with two cute dutch girls on vacation from the Netherlands. I started talking and all they were telling me was ''please do not tell me you voted for Bush'' ''please do not tell me you voted for Bush'' ''please do not tell me you voted for Bush'' ''please do not tell me you voted for Bush''. So I said when 3,500 dutch are killed in a terrorist act you can get back to me on how I should think and vote. needless to say the cute Dutch girls were not interested in talking anymore.

It's a whole different ball of wax if you don't live here and feel the pain. looking in from the outside is pretty painless.
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Old 10-06-2013, 09:27 AM   #41
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Now, I've been meaning to ask a couple questions for a few days now, especially since the government shutdown.

To me, the whole government shutdown thing seems like the most childish shit on the part of the Republicans. It really seems like it's a "If I can't have what I want, neither can you" situation, like the Republicans care more about their own agenda than what is in the best interest of the people of the US.
There are two sides to every story, unless you ask the media.

The other side would be, the Republicans are lobbying for a postponement of some provisions of the law which everyone knows are not ready to be implemented. Obama is refusing to negotiate at all.

So of course, who's holding things up is just a matter of perspective.
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The Democrats are the ones that are saying 'my way or the highway'... no negotiations at all.
Both sides did that. Republicans are just as much to blame. No serious counter-proposal. Horrible political savvy.
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Old 10-06-2013, 09:43 AM   #43
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The other side would be, the Republicans are lobbying for a postponement of some provisions of the law which everyone knows are not ready to be implemented. Obama is refusing to negotiate at all.

So of course, who's holding things up is just a matter of perspective.
Yeah like the perspective that Republicans are trying to sell that they only want to delay a part of Obamacare. When in reality they want to kill it.
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Both sides did that. Republicans are just as much to blame. No serious counter-proposal. Horrible political savvy.
The Republican's position has moved, the Democrats are the ones that aren't budging...
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Yeah like the perspective that Republicans are trying to sell that they only want to delay a part of Obamacare. When in reality they want to kill it.
Both are true...
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