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Old 10-06-2013, 11:07 AM  
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John Kerry ceding away US sovereignty to global corporations

While the right hand is distracting us with the shiny object of government shutdown, here's what the left hand is doing:

As the federal government shutdown continues, Secretary of State John Kerry heads to Asia for secret talks on a sweeping new trade deal, the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The TPP is often referred to by critics as "NAFTA on steroids," and would establish a free trade zone that would stretch from Vietnam to Chile, encompassing 800 million people — about a third of world trade and nearly 40 percent of the global economy. While the text of the treaty has been largely negotiated behind closed doors and, until June, kept secret from Congress, more than 600 corporate advisers reportedly have access to the measure, including employees of Halliburton and Monsanto. "This is not mainly about trade," says Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch. "It is a corporate Trojan horse. The agreement has 29 chapters, and only five of them have to do with trade. The other 24 chapters either handcuff our domestic governments, limiting food safety, environmental standards, financial regulation, energy and climate policy, or establishing new powers for corporations."

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JUAN GONZÁLEZ: President Obama announced this week that the U.S. government shutdown would delay his upcoming four-country trip to Asia, but that negotiations on a controversial new trade agreement he hopes to sign by the end of the year will continue to move forward. Obama called the Philippines president Tuesday night to say he would miss his visit, and a spokesperson shared the news with reporters Thursday.

RICKY CARANDANG: Secretary Kerry ... he will go in place of President Obama. President Obama personally called President Aquino to tell him—to explain to him why he could not make the visit.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: John Kerry will attend Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation meetings next week in Indonesia, where he’ll push for the completion of a sweeping new trade deal called the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the largest international trade deal since the creation of the World Trade Organization in 1995. The administration hopes to pass the measure through Congress by the end of the year using its Fast Track authority to limit lawmakers to an up-or-down vote.

AMY GOODMAN: The TPP is often referred to by critics as "NAFTA on steroids" and would establishing a free trade zone that would stretch from Vietnam to Chile, encompass 800 million people—about a third of world trade and nearly 40 percent of the global economy. While the text of the treaty has been largely negotiated behind closed doors, more than 600 corporate advisers reportedly have access to the measure, including employees of Halliburton and Monsanto.

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/10/...e_obama_pushes

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Old 10-07-2013, 06:44 AM   #16
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Oh, looking sheepishly, I agree with banyon here.
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:23 AM   #17
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Banyon has been doing that a lot lately, and i extend my kudos as well.
My God how i've come to hate this administration.
What did Churchill say years ago ?? "If you are not a liberal in your 20's you have no heart and if you are not a conservative by the time you are in your 40's you have no brain".

I have seen many in this forum who once prided themselves as liberals now begin to see a little bit of the light that only grows over time. However, denial is much easier to break through with Barry in office as he prides himself with a huge ray of the Marxist sun shining all over him with a "F you" smile to "We The People" every day.

A person's vote is a very intimate process for them and most don't want to admit they f'd up voting for the wrong person. But many are starting to come around but unfortunately it will be too late by the time the country wakes up because like our FFs stated you will never get those liberties and freedoms back you chose to surrender
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:36 AM   #18
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Well if it's good enough for Kerry, it's obviously good enough for me.
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:48 AM   #19
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What did Churchill say years ago ?? "If you are not a liberal in your 20's you have no heart and if you are not a conservative by the time you are in your 40's you have no brain".

I have seen many in this forum who once prided themselves as liberals now begin to see a little bit of the light that only grows over time. However, denial is much easier to break through with Barry in office as he prides himself with a huge ray of the Marxist sun shining all over him with a "F you" smile to "We The People" every day.

A person's vote is a very intimate process for them and most don't want to admit they f'd up voting for the wrong person. But many are starting to come around but unfortunately it will be too late by the time the country wakes up because like our FFs stated you will never get those liberties and freedoms back you chose to surrender
Churchill never said that.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:12 AM   #20
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What did Churchill say years ago ?? "If you are not a liberal in your 20's you have no heart and if you are not a conservative by the time you are in your 40's you have no brain".

I have seen many in this forum who once prided themselves as liberals now begin to see a little bit of the light that only grows over time. However, denial is much easier to break through with Barry in office as he prides himself with a huge ray of the Marxist sun shining all over him with a "F you" smile to "We The People" every day.

A person's vote is a very intimate process for them and most don't want to admit they f'd up voting for the wrong person. But many are starting to come around but unfortunately it will be too late by the time the country wakes up because like our FFs stated you will never get those liberties and freedoms back you chose to surrender
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:43 AM   #21
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It is. It's hard to believe that people don't place the real outrage where it belongs.

If people really understood what a threat this is to our way of life, then there would be massive protests everywhere like other countries involved.

And the secrecy...why so much?

I'm with Reaper right now...in a state of disbelief. The secrecy part is what is baffling to me.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:11 AM   #22
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Old 01-31-2014, 07:38 AM   #23
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The TPP pops up on my social media feeds pretty much ever day now and I'm really surprised that it's not being discussed here. Is it because both sides hate it and agreement is hard to understand?
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Old 01-31-2014, 07:53 AM   #24
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TPP will sail through when someone pushes the right button for Harry. Lots of teeth bashing by lots of groups over this thing but you done see a lot of mainstream coverage of it and not a lot of discussion of pros and cons in anything other than the sky is falling sites. I suspect it is due to not knowing what these assholes are up to, Kerry is a nitwit and Id assume he has no idea even if they tell him, and the media is to focused on stuff like cars on the roads in Atlanta
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It is. It's hard to believe that people don't place the real outrage where it belongs.

If people really understood what a threat this is to our way of life, then there would be massive protests everywhere like other countries involved.

And the secrecy...why so much?
Ok I don't understand. Where is the issue as you see it? How are we ceding our sovereignty?
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Old 01-31-2014, 08:35 AM   #26
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If I recall correctly, Banyon is a liberal Democrat. And he just posted a pretty damning article about the Obama administration.

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Per a post around 2006/07 banyon claimed to be a progressive. Iirc he said jAZ was a liberal. I think banyon labels himself accurately.
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If I recall correctly, Banyon is a liberal Democrat. And he just posted a pretty damning article about the Obama administration.

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Banyon has been down on Obama for a long time now.
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TPP will sail through when someone pushes the right button for Harry. Lots of teeth bashing by lots of groups over this thing but you done see a lot of mainstream coverage of it and not a lot of discussion of pros and cons in anything other than the sky is falling sites. I suspect it is due to not knowing what these assholes are up to, Kerry is a nitwit and Id assume he has no idea even if they tell him, and the media is to focused on stuff like cars on the roads in Atlanta
Truth.

If it weren't for Banyon posting this I bet most here wouldn't have even heard of it, neither side of the media is talking about this at all... it will just suddenly become a fact of life while no one is paying attention.
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Maybe the subject is too complex for me and/or the article isn't enough to bring me up to speed, but I'm having trouble being too worked up here. I'm sure there are some parts of the agreement that I wouldn't like, but in general, a trade agreement with Pacific Rim nations (excluding China) sounds like a good thing to me. But, of course, the devil is in the details so I reserve the right to be outraged over it at some point in the future.
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