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Old 10-07-2013, 12:03 PM  
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60 minutes: Disability Fraud in the US

For anyone who missed this piece last night on 60 minutes, pretty good overview of the problem that somewhere between 25-40% of disability claims in this country are just straight-up fraud.

Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma and his staff should be commended for bringing this important waste of taxpayer funds to our attention.




I have personally seen this in my pratice too, and it usually makes me want to vomit. We will get someone in court who has just gone on a meth lab/burglary spree and the judge will ask them what they will do for employment "I'm getting my disability next month". Way more frequently than it should happen.
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:32 PM   #61
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It's not social welfare, it's insurance.
SSDI is, SSI is closer to straight welfare.
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:33 PM   #62
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SSDI is, SSI is closer to straight welfare.
The thread is about Disability, no?
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:38 PM   #63
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It's not social welfare, it's insurance.

And I don't like fraud either, doesn't make me accuse entire swaths of career paths, or assume degeneracy.

I mean, sure, all plumbers, HVAC techs, mechanics construction contractors and various other laborers are unrepentant thieves, but I don't harp on it. I just accept that laborers are criminals, by and large.
I'm sorry your chosen profession has earned the reputation it has. Believe me, I'd prefer it wasn't rife with slimeballs finding every angle to make a buck.

I don't pretend to know if you or cave are the good apples or bad apples. That doesn't mean I'm never going to think your opinions are influenced by how you make your living.

You're a big boy BL. I'm sure this isn't the first time you've encountered ****y in this forum.
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:43 PM   #64
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I'm sorry your chosen profession has earned the reputation it has. Believe me, I'd prefer it wasn't rife with slimeballs finding every angle to make a buck.

I don't pretend to know if you or cave are the good apples or bad apples. That doesn't mean I'm never going to think your opinions are influenced by how you make your living.

You're a big boy BL. I'm sure this isn't the first time you've encountered ****y in this forum.
****y is not simply impugning a profession. There's also a whiff of rejecting specific opinions here based on knowledge [or even supposition] regarding a poster's profession WITHOUT revealing anything about one's self for inspection or critique.

For all we know, you are some Stugat with a no-bid, no-show sanitation contract.

And I'd hardly characterize uninformed opinions such as yours an 'earned' reputation, any more than black people have 'earned' the n-word.
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:04 PM   #65
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Disability has a large amount of fraud as does welfare. Sadly at least in the case of disability people need lawyers to help them. The way it is now people who deserve it are automatically turned down twice. I don't know the process with welfare as I don't have first hand experience with it. I have had two people close to me go through the disability process and both were completely deserving and got ****ed over until they were force to hire a lawyer~
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Disability has a large amount of fraud as does welfare. Sadly at least in the case of disability people need lawyers to help them. The way it is now people who deserve it are automatically turned down twice. I don't know the process with welfare as I don't have first hand experience with it. I have had two people close to me go through the disability process and both were completely deserving and got ****ed over until they were force to hire a lawyer~
In other words, fraudsters who resorted to engaging the services of crooks.
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In other words, fraudsters who resorted to engaging the services of crooks.
In every walk of life there are asshole who will grab a buck at every chance. There is a very large group of lawyers out there willing to hand out neck braces to get paid. However IMO the greater population of lawyers are holding people to the law and are honest. In the cases I speak of decent and deserving people were being screwed over by an overwhelming amount of redtape to recieve what they deserved. Without a lawyer they would have lost everything~
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Recently a PA juvie judge got caught taking $2M in kickbacks from a private detention company. Ban juvie detention??
Your analogy seems maladroit here. I havent heard anyone saying eliminate ssa disability, just that it may be overdue for some anti-corruptive reforms.
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Not news till 60 ****ing minutes covers it? Jesus H Christ this has been a real deal for 4 years and nobody gave a damn.
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Not news till 60 ****ing minutes covers it? Jesus H Christ this has been a real deal for 4 years and nobody gave a damn.
This all started 4 years ago? Really? Thats your angle?
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Who said it wasn't news previously?
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This all started 4 years ago? Really? Thats your angle?
4 6 8 I dont have an angle. You pick. Cheats and liars have always taken the government for a ride. But one wonders if it isnt worse now. After all it does buy votes.
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Your analogy seems maladroit here. I havent heard anyone saying eliminate ssa disability, just that it may be overdue for some anti-corruptive reforms.
Coburn's analysis is equally suspect.... he's piggybacking his analysis regarding the legitimacy of disability claims onto actual criminal corruption.
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http://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/dibStat.html

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Coburn's analysis is equally suspect.... he's piggybacking his analysis regarding the legitimacy of disability claims onto actual criminal corruption.
That's a fair point, I would like to see some larger data sets that applied in other parts of the country.
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