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Old 10-07-2013, 03:57 PM  
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Romo/Rivers/Cutler..career losers or franchise QBs?

Whats your take on these guys? Would these guys be 5-0 on the Chiefs.....or do they make too many mistakes and turnovers in critical situations? Sure, they put up great "box scores" , but so did Jeff George......
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:11 PM   #76
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At one point I would've said that Rivers was a franchise quarterback, but I think his star didn't last long enough. I guess we'll see if he can recover his powers this year.

Romo and Cutler aren't franchise quarterbacks. They're in the class of quarterbacks that are always present and have a few good years but are never dominant. They're this generation's Bobby Hebert or Bert Jones or Daunte Culpepper.
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:16 PM   #77
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Romo gets shit on because of bandwagon Dallas fans. He's better than they deserve. He's not an elite QB but he's way, way better than his reputation.
Romo gets shit on because he's a choking dog.
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:27 PM   #78
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These guy are great QB's, but sadly not everyone gets to win the SB.

I definitely think you can build a franchise around all these guys whether they win a SB or not has a lot more to do with the situation and circumstances than who the QB is.

Obviously you have to have one. But you're never the guy until you're the guy. Ask Flacco and Manning.

You say Rivers, Romo, Cutler.

I say Kelly, Fouts, and Marino.

Not to compare the two groups. But it's just not in the cards for some guys to be champions.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:56 PM   #79
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I can see how Romo probably isn't quite as bad as his reputation... but at the same time it's how he's going to be remembered. They've laid some real eggs in the playoffs... and then multiple times they've bombed in week 17 where a win would get them in. At least a couple of those games were truly NFC East playoff games where the loser went home.
There's a lot more to teams winning and losing in this league than the performance of the QB. Romo with his flawed Dallas teams (and Marino before him in Miami) would be perfect examples of that.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:58 PM   #80
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Rivers might get to a Super Bowl with a stacked supporting cast (i.e. Houston). He's never doing it with the Chargers, not after how AJ let all the talent go and ruined our cap situation.

On the fence about Cutler.

Romo is a complete joke. He will never even sniff a Super Bowl.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:59 PM   #81
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There's a lot more to teams winning and losing in this league than the performance of the QB. Romo with his flawed Dallas teams (and Marino before him in Miami) would be perfect examples of that.
I agree with that... but I do think we selectively apply this argument sometimes. The QB position is what wins games in the NFL, until it isn't.

And like I said... Marino won several playoff games. I do think Romo needs to win more than 1 to approach that zip code. It's possible for him to make a Flacco like run to a Super Bowl.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:00 PM   #82
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Eh. He chokes in just about any pressure situation. He may be good in the 4th quarter when Cowboys have a comfortable lead, but in pressure situations, he's one of the worst.
Are there any statistics to support that claim? I mean, sure, it certainly does feel that way.

But that may be a bit of selective memory and remembering the few major disappointments over the times that he actually was successful close and late (which his 4th quarter stats suggest he is).
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:04 PM   #83
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I agree with that... but I do think we selectively apply this argument sometimes. The QB position is what wins games in the NFL, until it isn't.
QB play is important, but it's never everything. The Chiefs, for example, have a mediocre starting QB but are winning games because their defense is exceptional (basically the 49ers model of a few years ago).

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And like I said... Marino won several playoff games. I do think Romo needs to win more than 1 to approach that zip code. It's possible for him to make a Flacco like run to a Super Bowl.
Dallas would need to find an actual defense at some point if that's ever going to happen.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:08 PM   #84
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Just found this for statistical support for his close and late situations:

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Romo has an above-average DVOA (Football Outsiders’ opponent-adjusted per-play efficiency metric) in late and close situations (any play in the second half or overtime when the score is within eight points). The 2010 season is the only exception, and in the other four seasons, Romo’s DVOA is actually higher in those situations than overall. And if you choose to argue that Romo melts under the brightest spotlights, consider that he has one of the best Quarterback DVOA rankings in nationally televised games since 2008.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/10/06/tony-ro...enver-broncos/

It would seem Romo isn't the complete choker late that people like to portray him as.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:08 PM   #85
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I agree with that... but I do think we selectively apply this argument sometimes. The QB position is what wins games in the NFL, until it isn't.

And like I said... Marino won several playoff games. I do think Romo needs to win more than 1 to approach that zip code. It's possible for him to make a Flacco like run to a Super Bowl.
But some QBs are just there to not lose games.. game managers.. Dilfer and like..
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:14 PM   #86
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But some QBs are just there to not lose games.. game managers.. Dilfer and like..
Rather have a winner, than a stat stuffer. Leave the stat stuffing to FANTASY football.

Give me wins on sundays. give my team a chance in the playoffs.

The three in the OP, have never shown in their careers to be that guy that you need in the playoffs.

Especially ROMO.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:15 PM   #87
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We're 5-0 with Rivers

Id agree with the above. The other QB's we wouldn't be 5-0 though.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:18 PM   #88
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Rather have a winner, than a stat stuffer. Leave the stat stuffing to FANTASY football.

Give me wins on sundays. give my team a chance in the playoffs.

The three in the OP, have never shown in their careers to be that guy that you need in the playoffs.

Especially ROMO.
When has romo ever had a defense and or a running game to help?
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:27 PM   #89
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Rather have a winner, than a stat stuffer. Leave the stat stuffing to FANTASY football.

Give me wins on sundays. give my team a chance in the playoffs.

The three in the OP, have never shown in their careers to be that guy that you need in the playoffs.

Especially ROMO.
Is Smith a "winner?" Because he wouldn't be winning anything on a team like Dallas.
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If you look at the past 13 SBs and replaced the Starting QB of the winning team with any one of the 3 listed QBs, I'd bet your farm that all 3 would be able to win those games (with the exception of the 3 NE spygate SBs).
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