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Old 10-07-2013, 06:45 PM  
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Prepare to shit yourself in anger - Suspension for Patriotic Decorations

Minnesota Student Fights Suspension for Patriotic Decorations (ABC News).

A Minnesota student is fighting a five-day suspension for a public display of patriotism at his high school, which he says could hurt his chances of getting a scholarship with the Air Force.

Bryce Reps is among more than a dozen students at Red Wing High School being punished for painting slogans on school windows and doors, including "USA," "GOD BLESS AMERICA," and "NEVER FORGET 9/11," with erasable chalk.

The students also drew red, white and blue streamers and stuck roughly 150 mini American flags around the grounds.

Reps, labeled as the "ringleader" of the group, is the only student who received a full five day suspension, while the rest of his compatriots only got two days for defacing school property.

"My suspension is more severe than for someone who shows up to school drunk or has drugs on them." Reps told ABC News. He said having this on his record would affect his ability to obtain a $15,000 Air Force college program scholarship to study at the University of Minnesota.

"I talked to a captain in the Air Force and that'll make a big, big difference," Reps said.

"There was never any intent to permanently damage anything. It was a prank. We just wanted to decorate the school to prove that we're patriotic," he said.

As part of Red Wing's homecoming week festivities, seniors at the school initially wanted to celebrate "Merica Monday," but were not permitted to because of racial connotations underlying the slogan. Instead, Reps said he struck a deal with administrators that would allow them to participate and dress up for a national pride day.

But some students were still not happy with the decision, and around 8:30 p.m. on the last Sunday in September, snuck onto school grounds to revamp the premises with patriotic flair.

What the students didn't realize was the temporary paint they used would only come off on glass and plastic, not wood. As a result, some school doors were permanently damaged and need replacing. The students' parents have offered to bear the repair costs of over $2,000.

Administration have labeled Reps, 17, as the ringleader of a group the student paper is now calling the "Winger Tea Party." Reps said he believes the school has completely mishandled the situation.

"They were treating it like the crime of the century," he said. "They're labeling it as vandalism. The word 'terrorism' was being thrown around. The doors needed to be repainted anyway."

Reps, who is currently bargaining with the school to downgrade the severity of his five day suspension, says he is being "targeted" for an earlier incident in September when he wrote a letter to the local paper criticizing the school's decision not to commemorate the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

At the time Reps also drew up a petition that garnered over 400 student signatures. The school later amended its policies to include holding a moment of silence to mark the anniversary of the attacks.

But Red Wing Schools District Superintendent Karsten Anderson said he had previously commended Reps for his "well-written letter to the editor."

"I don't want to speculate or indicate why the students went onto school grounds," he said.

In a memo to parents and staff last week, Anderson wrote that students "appropriately celebrated a day of national pride," but overall their behavior was unacceptable, "regardless of their intentions or the content of their messages."


Anderson also told ABC News that despite the episode, the rest of the national pride day festivities held last Monday were "great," and that dozens of students "had a chance to express their patriotism" respectfully, showing up with the American flag in hand or emblazoned on their shirts.

When asked if the school would reduce Reps' suspension, Anderson said an internal assessment would determine the outcome of any further actions.

"The high school administration and is going to review the overall incident and to make sure we've done the right thing," he said.

The school previously found itself embroiled in controversy this year after a former student sued for racial discrimination, claiming the authorities allowed students to celebrate a homecoming event designated as "Wigger Day," a day when white people dress up as black people.

Reps said he thinks the school overreacted about the flag-painting because of that law suit, but maintains that the students involved in this latest incident had good intentions.

"I really do love my country," Reps said. "We're all straight A's, National Honor Society students, not a group of bad kids making a bad decision."
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:37 PM   #16
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:44 PM   #17
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Fine, it was technically vandalism, but don't ruin his life by sending him up the river.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:07 PM   #18
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Fine, it was technically vandalism, but don't ruin his life by sending him up the river.
ruin his life = lost a scholarship opportunity

sending him up the river = 5 day school suspension
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:09 PM   #19
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Fine, it was technically vandalism, but don't ruin his life by sending him up the river.
His life isn't ruined.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:28 PM   #20
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School District needs to use some common sense...take the parents money, knock it down to a 2-day in school suspension and be done with it. Kids did something stupid...labeling it as terrorism is doubling down on stupid.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:35 PM   #21
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ruin his life = lost a scholarship opportunity

sending him up the river = 5 day school suspension
Granted. I exaggerated. It's still too harsh.
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Old 10-07-2013, 11:26 PM   #22
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Would those favoring a lesser punishment do the same for a kid who was really enthusiastic for the gay rights movement, and when the school district turned down his petition to have special celebrations of gay rights, he broke into the school and marked up the doors gay pride symbols?

I don't think you can temper the punishment just because you happen to agree with the message.

His parents offer to pay for damages is commendable and should be accepted, but that doesn't alleviate the fact that he committed a crime.

Yet despite the fact that he isn't being prosecuted and is getting off with a much lighter punishment than he might, he comes across as pretty defiant in the quotations included in the article.
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Old 10-07-2013, 11:33 PM   #23
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Would those favoring a lesser punishment do the same for a kid who was really enthusiastic for the gay rights movement, and when the school district turned down his petition to have special celebrations of gay rights, he broke into the school and marked up the doors gay pride symbols?

I don't think you can temper the punishment just because you happen to agree with the message.

His parents offer to pay for damages is commendable and should be accepted, but that doesn't alleviate the fact that he committed a crime.

Yet despite the fact that he isn't being prosecuted and is getting off with a much lighter punishment than he might, he comes across as pretty defiant in the quotations included in the article.
I think school districts need to quit being asses and actually make decisions on punishments and consider the facts...instead of these stupid "no tolerance" policies where everything under the sun is an out of school suspension.

Make the kids clean up the mess. Have the parents pay and make the kids paint the doors (I am willing to be that the doors probably hadn't been painted in years and looked like crap anyway). Make the kids clean the grounds and the school everyday after school for the rest of the year. There are many creative ways to punish the kids that both send a message to their fellow students to not pull this kind of shit, without causing long term damage to the kids prospects at life.
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Old 10-08-2013, 06:12 AM   #24
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He wanted to get under people's skin, so don't be surprised when it happens.

I thought it was interesting that it said their school paper used the term, "Winger Tea Party."
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:42 AM   #25
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What they did doesn't sound all that terrible but they still earned the punishment. Maybe they didn't do anything particularily offensive or controversial, but someone else might very well do so and push the limits further in the future if a proper precedent isn't set.

The kid sounds like a typical high schooler that thinks he can do no wrong and is incapable of self reflection and viewing himself from a viewpoint other than how this hurts him and makes him feel. Perhaps this will help him with introspection.
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:02 AM   #26
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It was vandalism and probably trespassing. The students got suspensions. Yawn.
You would have had to stab someone in my high school to get a 5 day suspension. A day or three, maybe, but five seems excessive to me. I guess it depends on what that school's historical punishments have been and also on the disciplinary history of the kid.
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Would those favoring a lesser punishment do the same for a kid who was really enthusiastic for the gay rights movement, and when the school district turned down his petition to have special celebrations of gay rights, he broke into the school and marked up the doors gay pride symbols?

I don't think you can temper the punishment just because you happen to agree with the message.

His parents offer to pay for damages is commendable and should be accepted, but that doesn't alleviate the fact that he committed a crime.

Yet despite the fact that he isn't being prosecuted and is getting off with a much lighter punishment than he might, he comes across as pretty defiant in the quotations included in the article.
Do you think a pro-American, patriotic message is as divisive and disruptive as a gay rights message? If so, liberals are even more out of control than I realized. Maybe it would help you draw distinctions if we compared planting an American flag on the front lawn of a multi-racial school versus planting a burning cross.
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:07 AM   #28
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School District needs to use some common sense...take the parents money, knock it down to a 2-day in school suspension and be done with it. Kids did something stupid...labeling it as terrorism is doubling down on stupid.
That sounds reasonable. I like your creative punishment ideas (have the kids repaint the doors) even more.
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Has anyone shit themselves in anger yet?

Punishment seems a little harsh, but for the most part it's a good lesson for the kids involved. ****ing around has consequences. Better to learn it as a young adult than later in life where your silly little ****ups can cost you a lot more.
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We used to have In School Suspension for stuff like this. They had 4 little rooms with a desk in each one. I think they were initially made for kids to practice musical instruments - the walls and ceiling were covered in these noise dampening tiles. If you got in a fight in school or did something like that you'd go and sit in the room all day with the door closed.
The rooms were right next to the teacher's lounge so the teachers would walk past and look in the window at you.
It was a drag. I had to do it maybe 7 or 8 days total.
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