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Old 10-08-2013, 12:34 AM  
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Poll: Both sides agree - the other side should back down.

This poll is pretty amusing...
The national survey by the Pew Research Center, conducted Oct. 3-6 among 1,000 adults, finds 44% say Republican leaders should give ground on their demand that any budget deal include cuts or delays to the 2010 health care law. Nearly as many (42%) say it is Obama who should give ground, by agreeing to changes in the health care law.

Even when asked if the only way to end the shutdown soon is for their side to give ground on the health care issue, most are unwilling to back down. A majority of Democrats (58%) say it would be unacceptable for Obama to agree to cuts or delays in the Affordable Care Act, even if this is the only way to resolve the shutdown soon. Roughly the same share of Republicans (54%) say it would be unacceptable for GOP leaders to agree to any deal that does not include cuts or delays to Obamacare.

Notably, Tea Party Republicans overwhelmingly oppose Republican leaders making concessions to resolve the impasse. Nearly nine-in-ten Republicans and Republican leaners who agree with the Tea Party (88%) say Obama should agree to cuts or delays in the health care law and 72% think it would be unacceptable for GOP leaders to agree to a deal that does not include those changes, even if it is the only way to quickly end the shutdown. Among non-Tea Party Republicans, 63% say Obama should agree to changes in the health care law, but only 39% feel it would be unacceptable for GOP leaders to drop their demand for health care changes.

http://www.people-press.org/2013/10/...-care-impasse/
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:35 AM   #2
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So basically Liberals are blaming the GOP, but don't want Obama to change anything he's doing. Typical.
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:41 AM   #3
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Obama is misreading the polls if he thinks not negotiating is a winning strategy.
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:44 AM   #4
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I'm really not sure why the GOP is doing this. By forcing Obama to concede on ACA, they're now taking partial ownership of the damn mess. I get why they didn't want any of it to take root and hook the poor on yet another government teat.....but they run a real risk here of allowing Dems to blame them for future problems with ACA. "Hey, you wanted your say and now you're screwed it up!"
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:55 AM   #5
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Obama is misreading the polls if he thinks not negotiating is a winning strategy.
And so are Republicans. Especially Republicans.
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:27 AM   #6
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I'm really not sure why the GOP is doing this. By forcing Obama to concede on ACA, they're now taking partial ownership of the damn mess. I get why they didn't want any of it to take root and hook the poor on yet another government teat.....but they run a real risk here of allowing Dems to blame them for future problems with ACA. "Hey, you wanted your say and now you're screwed it up!"

Bah, the other side (whomever that may be) was gonna say that anyway whether it's true or not.
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Old 10-08-2013, 10:05 AM   #7
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If I'm the Republicans looking at these polls, I'm taking plenty of heart. These polls show that the strategy is working. They can sit on this until the president capitulates. I don't know what that means anymore. Before it meant delaying the individual mandate for a year. I think that the concessions Boehner is looking for are more substantial than that at this point.
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Old 10-08-2013, 10:27 AM   #8
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If I'm the Republicans looking at these polls, I'm taking plenty of heart. These polls show that the strategy is working. They can sit on this until the president capitulates. I don't know what that means anymore. Before it meant delaying the individual mandate for a year. I think that the concessions Boehner is looking for are more substantial than that at this point.
Boehner keeps reiterating there are not enough votes to pass a clean CR in the house. Why not put it on the floor to prove it? The only reason I can think of is he is at best not really sure, or he is not telling the truth. I'm surprised this has not gotten more attention. Regardless of what polls say about ACA the large majority (over 70% in most public polls) show that the people want the defunding to end.

If a clean CR fails, it would put more pressure on the Democrats to consider other options. It also would seem to give Boehner a way out of his own corner if it passed. If R's bail, it isn't his fault he let the majority decide.
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Old 10-08-2013, 11:00 AM   #9
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Why not put it on the floor to prove it?
Why would he want to do that? He's got Obama cornered. Polls aren't running against the Republicans at anywhere close to the margins that were advertised. The Republicans are holding a winning hand right now.
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Old 10-08-2013, 11:18 AM   #10
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Old 10-08-2013, 11:33 AM   #11
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In fact, the Republicans should pass the bill they want, then adjourn the House and go home.
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Old 10-08-2013, 02:03 PM   #12
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Why would he want to do that? He's got Obama cornered. Polls aren't running against the Republicans at anywhere close to the margins that were advertised. The Republicans are holding a winning hand right now.
Because if true it would only enhance his position. He wasn't shy about putting other votes doomed to fail to the floor. Why this one? The only explanation is he either thinks it will pass or too close to risk it which is much different than saying he for sure knows there are not enough votes.

If you know there aren't votes why wouldn't you want it proven? Seems dubious at best.
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Old 10-08-2013, 02:08 PM   #13
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In fact, the Republicans should pass the bill they want, then adjourn the House and go home.
This. With 24 hours to go on the D-limit.
Boehner last words before he turns out the lights ,should be
Do to the government shut down. Congress has officially run out of Ink & Pen
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This. With 24 hours to go on the D-limit.
Boehner last words before he turns out the lights ,should be
Do to the government shut down. Congress has officially run out of Ink & Pen
The problem is there is no bill that would raise the debt ceiling that can pass the House without dem votes. There are too many R's who won't vote for anything.
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If I'm the Republicans looking at these polls, I'm taking plenty of heart. These polls show that the strategy is working. They can sit on this until the president capitulates. I don't know what that means anymore. Before it meant delaying the individual mandate for a year. I think that the concessions Boehner is looking for are more substantial than that at this point.
Well if polls have consistently shown, most think the govt is doing too much and/or Obama is a socialist....and not in small majorities but large ones...then why would it help the Ds?
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