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Old 10-08-2013, 11:59 AM  
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COLUMBIA, S.C. -- South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney did not play against Kentucky on Saturday, and coach Steve Spurrier was not entirely pleased about it.

Clowney came to the coaches before the game and said that bruised ribs that kept him from practice Thursday were too sore for him to play.

So the 6-foot-6, 274-pound All-American watched the Gamecocks' 35-28 win against Kentucky from the sidelines, chatting with teammates as South Carolina lost a large lead for the third straight game.

If Clowney "wants to play, we will welcome him to come play for the team if he wants," Spurrier said after the game. "But if he doesn't want to play, he doesn't have to play. Simple as that."

On Sunday, Spurrier reclassified Clowney's injury as a muscle strain. Spurrier said the frustration he expressed a day earlier was a result of how late Clowney waited to tell his coaches he wouldn't play.

"It was just we didn't know he wasn't playing until right before the game," Spurrier said. "That is always a little frustrating. Usually the trainer or doctor comes and tells you this guy is out, and that did not happen last night. But on the other side if a player is in pain and can't play, I don't want him to play. None of us do."

Asked about Clowney's commitment to the Gamecocks, Spurrier said, "You'll have to ask him that."

Spurrier's kept Clowney on a short leash with the media since early August, letting him speak only after games. Spurrier said that would change this week to give Clowney a chance to explain his injury.

Defensive coordinator Lorenzo Ward said Saturday he thought Clowney would play during the team's walk-through and was surprised when he learned he wouldn't be playing.

"He said he was hurting, but I thought he was going to play," Ward said. "Love to have JD out there, but we've got to put 11 guys on the field."

Spurrier said Clowney remains questionable for the No. 14 Gamecocks' game at Arkansas on Saturday.

"We will have to wait through the week to see if he will be able to play," Spurrier said. "Obviously he doesn't have a broken leg or anything that would keep him out two to three weeks but if he has a muscle strain around the rib area, we will have to see how long it keeps him out."

Clowney missed practice Thursday with the injury, but Ward said then it was likely he would be in the lineup Saturday night. Clowney was announced with the starters but came out without his pads when the game began.

He has been bothered by injuries and ailments throughout the season. He was ill before games with North Carolina and UCF, and has also been dealing with bone spurs in his right foot, a problem he's had since high school.

Clowney has yet to break out this season as opponents have largely played away from his side. The reigning Southeastern Conference defensive player of the year has just 12 tackles and two sacks.

"He may not be able to play next week. I don't know," Spurrier said Saturday after the game. "But we're not going to worry about it, I can assure you of that."
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:13 PM   #46
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The NBA has a one and done rule. Talented basketball players who years ago would have been allowed to enter the draft out of high school now have to "serve" one season in the NCAA.

You don't see those guys quitting on their teams, do you? Do you see Andrew Wiggins say, "I shouldn't even be here right now. I should be making real money. This one year of college thing is bullshit, so I'm just going to take care of my body and look out for #1 here."

The NFL is no different, only it's 2 years of mandatory play. And players like Clowney who could potentially be drafted after their freshman seasons are very very rare. Does that excuse Clowney, though? No, it should not.

Spurrier I think should be making a bigger deal out of this that it's not okay to flake out on your teammates.
It's 3 years in the NFL, the injury factor is much higher in football, and plenty of basketball players have skipped college to get paid overseas in the meantime.
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:13 PM   #47
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I'm kind of with D on this one. He just watched his teammate in a similar situation get his leg ripped off while losing eight figures in the process.
That could be said for any college player projected to be a Top Ten pick.

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I can't really blame him for not wanting to risk his winning lottery ticket in order to win the good graces of a bunch of middle aged white dudes posting on the internet.
Then he does what other smart college players have done and pays for a Lloyd's of London insurance policy.

Regardless, being a bitch isn't a smart move. And Clowney's acting like a bitch.
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:13 PM   #48
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I'm kind of with D on this one. He just watched his teammate in a similar situation get his leg ripped off while losing eight figures in the process.

I can't really blame him for not wanting to risk his winning lottery ticket in order to win the good graces of a bunch of middle aged white dudes posting on the internet.
You'd let your team mates down? You'd quit on them?
I'd rather sleep well at night and like myself.
Nobody is above the team.
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That could be said for any college player projected to be a Top Ten pick.
No, Clowney is truly different. He's in Andrew Luck, Calvin Johnson territory.

His ticket is punched. Almost every other player conceivably in the Top Ten needs to keep playing to ensure that's their value.

There's no question with Clowney.
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You'd let your team mates down? You'd quit on them?
I don't think either of us are saying that.

I'm just saying we both understand the logic there.
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I don't think either of us are saying that.

I'm just saying we both understand the logic there.
When it comes to finances I'm as cold a bastard as you want to meet.
But when you commit to a team, you commit.
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I don't think either of us are saying that.

I'm just saying we both understand the logic there.
No, there IS no logic when purposely quitting on your teammates and coach.

NONE.

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No, there IS no logic when purposely quitting on your teammates and coach.

NONE.

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Why?

Why should a team override my aversion to risking an injury that could cost me multiple millions?

Emotional reasons.

And it's easy for you and I to sit in our computer chairs and say "I would totally do it, even if it could cost me millions."

But if the heat is genuinely on, I'm guessing your rock-ribbed ideals might bend a bit.
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Why?

Why should a team override my aversion to risking an injury that could cost me multiple millions?

Emotional reasons.

And it's easy for you and I to sit in our computer chairs and say "I would totally do it, even if it could cost me millions."

But if the heat is genuinely on, I'm guessing your rock-ribbed ideals might bend a bit.
You and I differ fundamentally on this.
I won't do the "did you ever play team sports?" thing but I'll say quitting is just something nobody does and it points to character flaws.
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When it comes to finances I'm as cold a bastard as you want to meet.
But when you commit to a team, you commit.
So you're against players leaving after their Junior years?

I'll agree that he should have sat out completely rather than half-ass it, but I understand.
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You and I differ fundamentally on this.
I won't do the "did you ever play team sports?" thing but I'll say quitting is just something nobody does and it points to character flaws.
Quitting on your team is actually something a lot of players have done -- have you ever watched the NFL?

You can quit for a lot of really shitty reasons.

Clowney's is one of the few that actually holds up to scrutiny.
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That could be said for any college player projected to be a Top Ten pick.



Then he does what other smart college players have done and pays for a Lloyd's of London insurance policy.

Regardless, being a bitch isn't a smart move. And Clowney's acting like a bitch.
You're not getting a $30,000,000 insurance policy.
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No, there IS no logic when purposely quitting on your teammates and coach.

NONE.

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No excuse for quitting on coach Spurrier. He's never up and left a team before...
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So you're against players leaving after their Junior years?

I'll agree that he should have sat out completely rather than half-ass it, but I understand.
Hell no, go for the money. That part is understood and respected, envied by the team.
But while you're on the team, you play. Like you said, half assing is weak and points to character.
I have no idea what's going on with Clowney btw, talking in the hypothetical here.
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