Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Royal Lounge > D.C.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-08-2013, 07:38 PM  
petegz28 petegz28 is offline
Supporter
 
petegz28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Olathe, Ks
Casino cash: $12917
Reid wants $1T debt hike to end of 2014

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...to-end-of-2014
Posts: 66,804
petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 08:38 PM   #31
ClevelandBronco ClevelandBronco is offline
Banned
 
ClevelandBronco's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Casino cash: $7412
Quote:
Originally Posted by banyon View Post
I have thought for a long time that serious default (not this self inflicted political theater) is almost inevitable.

I assume there would be a period of massive hyperinflation, followed by substantial social unrest.

Many countries, though have weathered such storms and come back...
None of them have been armed to the teeth like we are on an individual basis. Social unrest would be a parade next to what we'd inflict on each other. Restoring order and reforming the republic in any kind of recognizable way would difficult if not impossible, IMHO.
Posts: 20,415
ClevelandBronco has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 08:39 PM   #32
ClevelandBronco ClevelandBronco is offline
Banned
 
ClevelandBronco's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Casino cash: $7412
Don't get me wrong, though. I'm fine with default.
Posts: 20,415
ClevelandBronco has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 08:41 PM   #33
vailpass vailpass is online now
Yah Mules!
 
vailpass's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2001
Casino cash: $10316
If you default on debt you better be ready to self sustain. And surrender your honor.
__________________
It don't matter what line we hand you
When we come a crawlin' in.
We ain't wrong, we ain't sorry,
An' it's probably gonna happen again.

T. Byrd
Posts: 37,329
vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 08:43 PM   #34
banyon banyon is offline
Supporter
 
banyon's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Dodge City, Kansas
Casino cash: $7349
Quote:
Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco View Post
None of them have been armed to the teeth like we are on an individual basis. Social unrest would be a parade next to what we'd inflict on each other. Restoring order and reforming the republic in any kind of recognizable way would difficult if not impossible, IMHO.
Yes, i was using "social unrest" rather euphemistically, but i see things more along the lines that you describe.

The other unique weaknesses of our country are the interdependent power grid, and the "just in time" inventory system of the grocery stores that no longer have back rooms. Also people dont grow hardly any of their own food anymore like they did in the Depression. You are right I fear.
__________________

"For the benefit and enjoyment of the people" -- Inscription, Roosevelt Arch, Northern Gate, Yellowstone, near Gardiner, MT
Posts: 32,882
banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 08:44 PM   #35
notorious notorious is offline
I Lay Wood for a Living
 
notorious's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Who knows?
Casino cash: $12826
Quote:
Originally Posted by vailpass View Post
If you default on debt you better be ready to self sustain. And surrender your honor.
The U.S. has honor?
Posts: 31,482
notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 08:44 PM   #36
vailpass vailpass is online now
Yah Mules!
 
vailpass's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2001
Casino cash: $10316
Quote:
Originally Posted by notorious View Post
The U.S. has honor?
I'd like to think we have more honor than anyone...But we have to continue to behave like it.
__________________
It don't matter what line we hand you
When we come a crawlin' in.
We ain't wrong, we ain't sorry,
An' it's probably gonna happen again.

T. Byrd
Posts: 37,329
vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 08:45 PM   #37
notorious notorious is offline
I Lay Wood for a Living
 
notorious's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Who knows?
Casino cash: $12826
Quote:
Originally Posted by banyon View Post
Yes, i was using "social unrest" rather euphemistically, but i see things more along the lines that you describe.

The other unique weaknesses of our country are the interdependent power grid, and the "just in time" inventory system of the grocery stores that no longer have back rooms. Also people dont grow hardly any of their own food anymore like they did in the Depression. You are right I fear.
At least we live in a good area.


Plenty of food, water, and ......protection.
Posts: 31,482
notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 08:52 PM   #38
banyon banyon is offline
Supporter
 
banyon's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Dodge City, Kansas
Casino cash: $7349
Quote:
Originally Posted by notorious View Post
At least we live in a good area.


Plenty of food, water, and ......protection.
Well im not sure on the water front, but other than that, yeah, western ks is a great place for the end of our republic. We are also in a nuclear fallout free zone.
__________________

"For the benefit and enjoyment of the people" -- Inscription, Roosevelt Arch, Northern Gate, Yellowstone, near Gardiner, MT
Posts: 32,882
banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.banyon wants to die in a aids tree fire.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 09:03 PM   #39
Chiefshrink Chiefshrink is offline
MVP
 
Chiefshrink's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: donkey land
Casino cash: $6529
Quote:
Originally Posted by vailpass View Post
At what point do people stop lending us money?
Good question. IMO as much as I would love to see America turn it around there is no way we can. We are past the point of no return on all this debt. In order to truly turn it around we would have to actually have all hands on board and go Cold Turkey on spending and that just won't happen because we have too many 'cosmo20002s'(population) wanting to sit on their ass and complain about not having enough and too many crooked politicians that are 'on the take' at the expense of our Constitution's liberties and freedoms of 'We The People'.

Adams and Jefferson's words actually come true in that "you will never get it back".

To speculate on answering your question they stop lending when they feel they can no longer make $$ on our indebtedness and feel they have weakened us enough financially to tell the US to 'F off' we are in charge now whoever 'WE' might be as most feel it is the Chinese. Like the classic Lenin line of "We will give them enough rope to hang themselves" (referring to 'useful idiots' which does not apply in this situation obviously) BUT I feel the Chinese are allowing this loaning of $$ to us like giving enough rope to hang ourselves into a crisis that we will never recover from and then the one world order will come together IMO.

I see our economy like the Jenga game. We are one piece away from it all collapsing and those in charge know which piece to pull and it's just a matter of time when they feel it is right time to pull that piece and America is no more. It will be a damn sad and frightening time for sure.

Have your house in order truly comes to fruition for sure
Posts: 12,120
Chiefshrink is too fat/Omaha.Chiefshrink is too fat/Omaha.Chiefshrink is too fat/Omaha.Chiefshrink is too fat/Omaha.Chiefshrink is too fat/Omaha.Chiefshrink is too fat/Omaha.Chiefshrink is too fat/Omaha.Chiefshrink is too fat/Omaha.Chiefshrink is too fat/Omaha.Chiefshrink is too fat/Omaha.Chiefshrink is too fat/Omaha.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 09:04 PM   #40
notorious notorious is offline
I Lay Wood for a Living
 
notorious's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Who knows?
Casino cash: $12826
Quote:
Originally Posted by banyon View Post
Well im not sure on the water front, but other than that, yeah, western ks is a great place for the end of our republic. We are also in a nuclear fallout free zone.
Someone needs to lead a strike against Lamar and blow up the damn in the first few days.
Posts: 31,482
notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 09:15 PM   #41
Raiderhader Raiderhader is offline
SteelSkull
 
Raiderhader's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Strawberry Hill
Casino cash: $8682
Quote:
Originally Posted by notorious View Post
Just tell everyone we owe to go **** themselves.


That's what the countries that owed us after WWII did.
A) different economic situation back then. The economy is so globalized now, everyone is tied into everyone else in some way. I think you probably just create even more problems going that route.

B) we need to meet our obligations. Two wrongs do not make a right. And what message does that send to our own people who are already spoiled enough that they would start demanding and expecting debt forgiveness? I understand the sentiment but, I cannot endorse it.
__________________
"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, and disregard of all the rules."

-- George Orwell, Shooting an Elephant
Posts: 17,609
Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 09:18 PM   #42
Raiderhader Raiderhader is offline
SteelSkull
 
Raiderhader's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Strawberry Hill
Casino cash: $8682
Quote:
Originally Posted by banyon View Post
Well its even more demoralizing when you realize that our standard of living is in a downward spiral and that these problems are going to get even worse after the tax base erodes.
Yep. And the people who are draining us don't give a single **** if the rest if us join them.
__________________
"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, and disregard of all the rules."

-- George Orwell, Shooting an Elephant
Posts: 17,609
Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 09:32 PM   #43
notorious notorious is offline
I Lay Wood for a Living
 
notorious's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Who knows?
Casino cash: $12826
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raiderhader View Post
Yep. And the people who are draining us don't give a single **** if the rest if us join them.
They will give a **** when the gravy train ends.
Posts: 31,482
notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 09:38 PM   #44
Raiderhader Raiderhader is offline
SteelSkull
 
Raiderhader's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Strawberry Hill
Casino cash: $8682
Quote:
Originally Posted by notorious View Post
They will give a **** when the gravy train ends.
It will be too late at that point. We will ALL be working mandated jobs (well, those that aren't out in the hills fighting in rebellion anyway).
__________________
"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, and disregard of all the rules."

-- George Orwell, Shooting an Elephant
Posts: 17,609
Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.Raiderhader threw an interception on a screen pass.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 09:41 PM   #45
BucEyedPea BucEyedPea is offline
BucPatriot
 
BucEyedPea's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: None of your business
Casino cash: $13477
Quote:
Originally Posted by banyon View Post
Yes it matters, because the point is to lower the deficit and eventually pay off debt. If we do that, then we are pragmatic and fiscally responsible. If we ignore the deficit and simply dont pay our bills, then we are deadbeats. That is the difference.
So then we all become like welfare recipients. If ya' can't beat 'em then join 'em!
__________________
“The power to declare war, including the power of judging the causes of war, is fully and exclusively vested in the legislature.” ~ James Madison, Father of the Constitution
Posts: 58,274
BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:23 AM.


This is a test for a client's site.
A new website that shows member-created construction site listings that need fill or have excess fill. Dirt Monkey @ https://DirtMonkey.net
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.