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Old 10-08-2013, 09:22 PM  
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For those claiming it is the GOP to blame for a possible default...

Explain to me why the DEMOCRATS under Reid refused to pass the Full Faith and Credit Act which was passed by the House. And why Obama threatened to veto it if it got to him?

You all seem to whine and cry that we should ALWAYS pay our debts. Well that law makes certain that in a situation like this... we always do.

You can read it here
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...113hr807rh.pdf

Pretty simple. If we breach our credit limit we (BY LAW) must pay debts first thereby ensuring we NEVER default.

Let's hear your spin on this one.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:26 AM   #46
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LOL!

Yes. The problem is debt CEILINGS! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

What a joke!
I know, right? How does one even get to this kind of backwards ass thinking?
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:27 AM   #47
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:29 AM   #48
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I don't have a credit card debt problem. My problem is that they won't raise my cap. If they would only raise my cap, I could afford that snow leopard I've been looking at.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:31 AM   #49
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As far as I'm concerned, the line is drawn here on the debt ceiling and the democrats get to pick one or the other: they either get Obamacare, or they get the debt ceiling raise. They don't get both. I'd personally give them the debt ceiling raise and force them to put Obamacare on the table through a year delay in the individual mandate. Both are poison pills.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:34 AM   #50
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You still are too thickheaded to get it. This is WHEN the House gets its chance for input. If not now, please explain when? If they give in now tell me EXACTLY when they get the chance to defund ANYTHING? Next year when there is another "crisis" and you claim that they can't do it THEN because these are past due bills, yet again! Rinse, repeat.

You are ridiculous. You have some mythical idea about how the process works. I'm not sure how much more I can explain this to you when you are so clueless about what is going on.
They had a chance when it was originally up for a vote. And they have exercised their ability to try to repeal it 40-some times. And they can take stand on it anytime they like, really. They just shouldn't hold the country's credit hostage to make their stand.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:35 AM   #51
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I don't have a credit card debt problem. My problem is that they won't raise my cap. If they would only raise my cap, I could afford that snow leopard I've been looking at.
So my question of the day is... Why hasn't Cruz(or Boehner) hammered this point home? It seems like such an obvious "win" for the GOP to state that Obama/Reid opposed a bill that guarantees we never default. It places the ball squarely back in their court in such a way that even the press would have a tough time spinning it.

BTW I still disagree with your optimism regarding the grassroots changes coming to the GOP sooner rather than later but I am even more frustrated about it now than ever. I sincerely hope I am dead wrong and you are right on this one.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:41 AM   #52
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I don't have a credit card debt problem. My problem is that they won't raise my cap. If they would only raise my cap, I could afford that snow leopard I've been looking at.
On this credit card--Who did the spending? YOU
Who authorized the spending? YOU

And when they wouldn't raise your cap, did they also say you weren't allowed to pay your bill for charges you've accrued?

Congress told Obama (and past presidents) to spend the money, now they won't let him pay the bill. Your analogy sucks.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:42 AM   #53
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They had a chance when it was originally up for a vote. And they have exercised their ability to try to repeal it 40-some times. And they can take stand on it anytime they like, really. They just shouldn't hold the country's credit hostage to make their stand.
LOL WUT? Are you on about Obamacare now? We are talking about the entire budget dude. Try to keep up. Obamacare is simply one concession they are asking for if they are going to concede on EVERYTHING else to Obama/Reid. Regardless it has little to nothing to do with what I am talking about overall. It may as well be that they want an across the board 20% cut in spending or for Every Tuesday to be Topless Tuesday where strippers are forced to parade through every city. It doesn't matter WHAT the House is asking for, they are asking for it IN RETURN for authorizing more moneys for Obama. This is entirely their right. The point is... if both sides truly don't want to ever see a THREAT of default then there is NO EXCUSE for opposing a bill that takes default off the table. The only excuse you have offered is that it would allow the House to defund all sorts of other programs. Well yes, that is their ****ing job. They can do that if they so choose. They'll get kicked out of office pretty quickly for it, but that is why they are on a 2 year election cycle.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:44 AM   #54
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So my question of the day is... Why hasn't Cruz(or Boehner) hammered this point home? It seems like such an obvious "win" for the GOP to state that Obama/Reid opposed a bill that guarantees we never default. It places the ball squarely back in their court in such a way that even the press would have a tough time spinning it.

BTW I still disagree with your optimism regarding the grassroots changes coming to the GOP sooner rather than later but I am even more frustrated about it now than ever. I sincerely hope I am dead wrong and you are right on this one.

The media doesn't have any interest in hearing Ted Cruz's opinion on this stuff. He's a great communicator and when they put him in front of a mic, he changes the people's minds about this stuff and start asking questions of Obama. The media needs to keep this debate framed in the very narrow way that they, Obama, and the democrat party would like to keep it framed. The last thing they want are independents understanding the rationalizations of the Tea Party outside of their silly constructs.

However, Cruz is still able to get his voice heard. He's been hitting the talk show circuit and getting the message out to the base that way. He does a great job of framing the discussion, and keeping people engaged in the fight. If you'd like to hear the stuff he's saying, you can download much of it here:

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Old 10-09-2013, 12:46 AM   #55
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So my question of the day is... Why hasn't Cruz(or Boehner) hammered this point home? It seems like such an obvious "win" for the GOP to state that Obama/Reid opposed a bill that guarantees we never default. It places the ball squarely back in their court in such a way that even the press would have a tough time spinning it.
Because it is ****ing stupid and even they would recognize that.
You know perfectly well TJ's analogy of raising the limit in order to allow the purchase of new things (a snow leopard) is shit.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:48 AM   #56
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Because it is ****ing stupid and even they would recognize that.
You know perfectly well TJ's analogy of raising the limit in order to allow the purchase of new things (a snow leopard) is shit.
Actually no it isn't. Your application of his analogy is what is idiotic. His analogy was just a general comment on Direckshun's premise that the DEBT CEILING is the issue. Not spending. Nice try at reframing his point but some of us don't fall for that spin.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:49 AM   #57
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LOL WUT? Are you on about Obamacare now? We are talking about the entire budget dude. Try to keep up. Obamacare is simply one concession they are asking for if they are going to concede on EVERYTHING else to Obama/Reid. Regardless it has little to nothing to do with what I am talking about overall. It may as well be that they want an across the board 20% cut in spending or for Every Tuesday to be Topless Tuesday where strippers are forced to parade through every city. It doesn't matter WHAT the House is asking for, they are asking for it IN RETURN for authorizing more moneys for Obama. This is entirely their right. The point is... if both sides truly don't want to ever see a THREAT of default then there is NO EXCUSE for opposing a bill that takes default off the table. The only excuse you have offered is that it would allow the House to defund all sorts of other programs. Well yes, that is their ****ing job. They can do that if they so choose. They'll get kicked out of office pretty quickly for it, but that is why they are on a 2 year election cycle.
Yeah, I have no idea where I got that from. Obamacare not the issue. They're not asking to get rid of it in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. My bad.

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Old 10-09-2013, 12:53 AM   #58
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Here's the administration's statement on this.
WTF Dude...this bill would make sure these are paid.
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However, Cruz is still able to get his voice heard. He's been hitting the talk show circuit and getting the message out to the base that way. He does a great job of framing the discussion, and keeping people engaged in the fight. If you'd like to hear the stuff he's saying, you can download much of it here:

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Well hell, I thought I had heard most of his stuff but apparently not. He DID mention this same point a few times it seems. He actually mentioned the "default prevention act" provision and how Reid called it the "pay China first bill." He goes on to show how this proves that they are using default threats to govern "by crisis" and extort their way spending.

So, yeah you are right. It's just being ignored by the press.
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It says we will pay all of our obligations... eventually.

Which is something that institutions with lower credit ratings do.
Its what we're already doing.
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