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Old 10-08-2013, 08:22 PM  
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For those claiming it is the GOP to blame for a possible default...

Explain to me why the DEMOCRATS under Reid refused to pass the Full Faith and Credit Act which was passed by the House. And why Obama threatened to veto it if it got to him?

You all seem to whine and cry that we should ALWAYS pay our debts. Well that law makes certain that in a situation like this... we always do.

You can read it here
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...113hr807rh.pdf

Pretty simple. If we breach our credit limit we (BY LAW) must pay debts first thereby ensuring we NEVER default.

Let's hear your spin on this one.
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Old 10-08-2013, 11:55 PM   #61
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Actually no it isn't. Your application of his analogy is what is idiotic. His analogy was just a general comment on Direckshun's premise that the DEBT CEILING is the issue. Not spending. Nice try at reframing his point but some of us don't fall for that spin.
Reframing it? It is what he ****ing said. You're being ridiculous. And while you are wrong and playing games about who is making demands and what the consequences of that Full Faith & Credit Act would be, he is completely ****ing clueless (the debt ceiling is about new spending! ).

You just don't have the heart to tell him because he's on your side.
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Old 10-08-2013, 11:57 PM   #62
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Yeah, I have no idea where I got that from. Obamacare not the issue. They're not asking to get rid of it in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. My bad.

You're drunk, right?
You are extremely limited in your ability to think and keep up tonight. Yes they wanted defunding of Obamacare. Then they wanted delays. (I have mentioned this multiple times now) Next they may just want some deficit reduction, who knows. The specifics are not AT ALL important. The fact that you focus on them shows how little you are understanding this discussion. The issue isn;t the specific concessions wanted the issue is that they aren't the ones threatening DEFAULT. They are the ones who sent a law specifically taking DEFAULT off the table. The Dems blocked it. That's it. Any reasonable person should see that the debate is over on who is threatening default.
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Old 10-08-2013, 11:58 PM   #63
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WTF Dude...this bill would make sure these are paid.
And other obligations wouldn't be. And the Rs could pick which programs they want to get rid of, just like they are trying to do now.

If there are no strings attached in paying these debts to ensure no default, then why don't they just get rid of the debt ceiling altogether? Because this is a backdoor way of repealing laws they don't like.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:00 AM   #64
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I don't have a credit card debt problem. My problem is that they won't raise my cap. If they would only raise my cap, I could afford that snow leopard I've been looking at.
They should be able to understand that right?

or how about:

"I can't be out of money, I still have checks left."
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:00 AM   #65
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Reframing it? It is what he ****ing said. You're being ridiculous. And while you are wrong and playing games about who is making demands and what the consequences of that Full Faith & Credit Act would be, he is completely ****ing clueless (the debt ceiling is about new spending! ).

You just don't have the heart to tell him because he's on your side.
Wow dude stay focused here. Try hard now. He made that comment as an analogy ONLY to respond to Direckshun's comment about debt ceilings being the ISSUE. (as in, we shouldn;t ever put a cap on debt, because THAT is what causes problems not spending) In that regard it works. If taken to apply to the entire budget battle and HR 807 it isn't a great analogy. But the only person who thinks that is what he meant is you. Are you high? You certainly aren't staying on point very well. You're all over the map.
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And other obligations wouldn't be. And the Rs could pick which programs they want to get rid of, just like they are trying to do now.

If there are no strings attached in paying these debts to ensure no default, then why don't they just get rid of the debt ceiling altogether? Because this is a backdoor way of repealing laws they don't like.
OMG. NO! We certainly shouldn't let the House do it's ****ing job! You know the whole bit about every year the House gets to put forth what they think should be funded in govt. Stupid ol Constitution gets in the way all the damn time!
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:13 AM   #67
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And other obligations wouldn't be. And the Rs could pick which programs they want to get rid of, just like they are trying to do now.

If there are no strings attached in paying these debts to ensure no default, then why don't they just get rid of the debt ceiling altogether? Because this is a backdoor way of repealing laws they don't like.
No cap on spending? You got a cap on spending at your house? You do. Because people in a truck will come take your shit if you don't

In 2005 our yearly deficit spending was 300 billion. Today it's over a trillion, all thanks to the democrat majority we put in office. So yeah we need a debt ceiling...otherwise these people would end us all with the out-of-control spending.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:22 AM   #68
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Well hell, I thought I had heard most of his stuff but apparently not. He DID mention this same point a few times it seems. He actually mentioned the "default prevention act" provision and how Reid called it the "pay China first bill." He goes on to show how this proves that they are using default threats to govern "by crisis" and extort their way spending.

So, yeah you are right. It's just being ignored by the press.
The press in this country is awful.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:25 AM   #69
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Reframing it? It is what he ****ing said. You're being ridiculous. And while you are wrong and playing games about who is making demands and what the consequences of that Full Faith & Credit Act would be, he is completely ****ing clueless (the debt ceiling is about new spending! ).

You just don't have the heart to tell him because he's on your side.
I'm more than well aware that the debt ceiling is about spending that we've already done. You're not telling me anything new.
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Speaking of which, that's one of the better tricks that has ever been played on the American people. Here is the debt ceiling, which by the way, we're spending well ahead of. Now you have no choice but to raise the debt ceiling because we've already done the spending, and now need more.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:31 AM   #71
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Speaking of which, that's one of the better tricks that has ever been played on the American people. Here is the debt ceiling, which by the way, we're spending well ahead of. Now you have no choice but to raise the debt ceiling because we've already done the spending, and now need more.
I keep trying to explain this to Cosmo but he refuses to get it. He has some fantasy land idea that if the House caves now they can magically do their job another day. When in fact, we will have this SAME conversation next year and he will trot out the same misunderstanding of the system and excuses.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:47 AM   #72
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This really should be the nail in the coffin for this debate. How shitty is the GOP that they can't get this message out there. Pretty amazing the incompetence.
This is the problem here. It's not about principle as much as it is about execution. The GOP handled this stupidly. They could have done the same exact thing without demeaning government workers (whether you dislike their job or not, they are people and voters with jobs) and rather than stonewall, they could have put a legit counter-proposal on the table instead of throwing a hail mary at the end. The GOP has to do a much better job branding themselves.
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This is the problem here. It's not about principle as much as it is about execution. The GOP handled this stupidly. They could have done the same exact thing without demeaning government workers (whether you dislike their job or not, they are people and voters with jobs) and rather than stonewall, they could have put a legit counter-proposal on the table instead of throwing a hail mary at the end. The GOP has to do a much better job branding themselves.
No argument here. Although as TJ pointed out, Cruz DID attempt to get this exact message out but has been stonewalled by the media.
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This is the problem here. It's not about principle as much as it is about execution. The GOP handled this stupidly. They could have done the same exact thing without demeaning government workers (whether you dislike their job or not, they are people and voters with jobs) and rather than stonewall, they could have put a legit counter-proposal on the table instead of throwing a hail mary at the end. The GOP has to do a much better job branding themselves.

Let me tell you something. Saying that this was handled stupidly is a lie being told by establishment politicians who are afraid of losing power. That's both on the left and the right. Whether this move is stupid or not remains to be seen, and the results will ultimately be told through the lens of history.

In my hopes, the lens of history will recall the close call that we had with the disaster of a fascist handover to the insurance industry. This rather than the utter collapse of a healthcare system that makes soviet breadlines look like iPhone campouts. They want to add 30 million people to the health insurance rolls virtually overnight. The system doesn't scale. It's impossible. The resources aren't there, and the ultimate result is everybody suffering. Nobody on the left cares about this - of course until it's their child being denied care by the Health Czar for not fitting a rationing criteria that has been predetermined by some well-intentioned panel with a healthcare plan much better then ours. This plan is not progressive. It's an unholy trade-off between the progressives and the insurance lobby, and a cynical gamble on our future at that. They should be ashamed of themselves those that support this while knowing full and well what it is. They should be disgusted. Most of them are not because they're weak and let their emotions run away with their logic. Others don't have any logic at all.

I don't think people fully understand the barrel that we're looking down right now. This idea that we can wait to dodge the bullet when the time is right is a bit of a farce to me. When a gun is pointed at your head, you move at your first and best opportunity. Ted Cruz was sent to Washington to do that. Whether it was the right thing for the voters to do or not is yet to play out. But he WAS sent, and for better or worse, it WILL play out.
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Bernanke and Obama Want Another Economic Crisis
Published Fri, Sep 20th, 2013 Floyd Brown, Chief Political Analyst
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We predicted here at Capitol Hill Daily that Ben Bernanke wouldnít taper the Federal Reserve bond buying this month. Yet all the pundits on Wall Street and in the media were fooled. They were fooled because they donít understand the iron rule:
Donít listen to what politicians say! Watch what they do.
If you act on the words of politicians (and Ben Bernanke is just another politician), be prepared to experience a head fake. Politicians tell you what you want to hear, not what they actually think or plan to do.
We were confident in making our prediction because we tuned out the D.C. propaganda and watched reality. Reality tells us that unemployment is higher than the numbers Obamaís Labor Department publishes. Inflation is higher than the Consumer Price Index (CPI) they publish. And the economy is much weaker than the Obama cheerleading squad is willing to admit.
If you donít believe us, then give it the eye test. Drive past nearly any strip mall in America and count the vacant storefronts. Nearly every chain, from Staples (SPLS) to Best Buy(BBY), is shuttering stores. Restaurants are closing. Corporations are hoarding cash and not investing.
The talk of tapering has caused interest rates to spike, and mortgage loan numbers have tanked. New housing is barely off of life support. Car dealers still arenít selling cars at pre-2008 numbers despite low interest rates and the average age of cars on the road reaching record highs.
The Federal Reserve will never be able to stop Quantitative Easing (QE) until the economy actually recovers. But mark our wordsÖ If they donít stop it soon, theyíre running the risk of causing a flash crash in the currency.
The world is already awash in U.S. dollars. China is dumping dollars. Russia is dumping dollars. Japan is weakening the Yen. If the dollar selling gets too great, and I see little reason to hold dollars under this wrong-headed policy, we run the risk of a total crash.
Even without a crash, the QE policy is systematically transferring wealth to the political and banking elites. Inflation is the greatest stealth tax in history.
And Thatís Only Half the Story
Obama is playing a very dangerous game with the economy in the hopes of beating the Republicans in the 2014 elections. Hereís how his strategy works.
Instead of trying to come to an agreement on budget authorizations and debt ceiling with the Congress, Obama is playing brinkmanship and trying to create maximum financial insecurity. He believes he can hang a fall economic crisis around the neck of Congress and usher Nancy Pelosi back into the Speaker position.
John Boehner and Eric Cantor are being boxed into giving Obama the crisis he wants. Instead of fighting, theyíre bending over backwards to try and forestall a crisis. What they donít seem to understand is that Obama sees this strategy as weakness. Heís emboldened to create the crisis and therefore exploit Boehnerís weaknesses. He wants a democratic Congress more than he wants an economic recovery.
The best strategy for the Republicans is to actually rise up and fight. They need to remind the world that in the United States, the 14th Amendment to the Constitution makes it impossible to default. Every creditor will be paid. Every bond will be paid. Donít let Obama get away with talk of default. Itís irresponsible and illegal.
Boehner should look Obama in the eye and say, ďIf you keep saying America is at risk of default, Iíll move impeachment proceeding in the House so we can replace you with a more responsible and honest president.Ē
Additionally, Congress has every right to end Obamacare. And they should realize that Obama can whine all he wants about shutdowns. Essential services such as the military and Social Security donít shut down. Itís Obamaís constituencies of government worker unions, labor unions and bureaucrats that really take it in the chin during a shut down. Instead of retroactively giving people money for the time they didnít work, this Congress should make Obamaís people pay a price for his irresponsibility.
Your eyes on the Hill,
Floyd Brown

Obummer wants to put this country in crisis. It's that simple. He wants to rule like a dictator, and declare martial law. He's wanting to control every branch of the government. Kinda sounds a lot like what Hitler did. Wake up you stupid libs!
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