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What Obama Should Have Said In Healthcare Speech

What Obama Should Have Said in Healthcare Speech

Tuesday, 05 Nov 2013 07:52 AM
By Rich Lowry


It's now a matter of bipartisan consensus that President Barack Obama should have been more honest and forthright in selling his healthcare plan.

Here is the transcript of the speech he never gave:

"Hello, St. Paul! It is so good to be back in the great state of Minnesota. Go Gophers! [We love you!] I love you back [stomping, cheers]!

"I don't know if you've noticed, but I've been talking about healthcare reform a little lately. [laughter]. I want to set the record straight on a few things today.

"Republicans are out there scaring folks, and saying that they'll lose their insurance [boos, jeers]. No, no hey, just because they don't care about people doesn't mean they are wrong about everything [laughter, applause]. And they're right about this. Some folks are going to lose their insurance. Millions of them, in fact.

"Let me be clear: Just because you have insurance you like, doesn't mean you can keep it. If it doesn't meet the new federal standards, your plan is going to get canceled. I guarantee it.

"Some of my political advisers say, Hey, you can't go out and tell people that, Obama. It doesn't test well. People hate it in the polls.

"And you know what I told them? 'I ... don't ... care ... about ... the polls' [applause]. I said: 'That's the old politics. That's what wrong with Washington, D.C., right there. If you think I'm going to go out and lie about my plan, you've got the wrong guy. What did you think hope and change were all about?

"So, yeah, some of you are going to lose your insurance. Now, because of the marketplace we'll set up, you're going to go online and shop for new insurance. Some of you are going to get a better deal. If you don't make much money, you're going to get help from the government [cheers].

"But let me be clear again and Axelrod hates this part [laughter] many of you are going to pay more than you did before. Maybe double. Because all of these new regulations cost money. You don't believe in a free lunch, do you? [Confused murmurs.]

"What we're proposing is to get young, healthy people onto the exchanges so they can subsidize everyone else, by buying coverage they don't want or need at a price that is higher than before. Why would they do that, you ask? [Faint laughter.] That's what the individual mandate is all about. We've got to force them.

"As for the doctor you like, you might not be able to keep him or her, either. [Murmurs.] If you have to change your plan, your doctor may not be in the network. And to try to keep costs down, the networks in the exchanges are really narrow. By the way, top hospitals probably aren't going to accept a lot of plans from the exchanges, either.

"Some of my friends on my side of the aisle try to minimize all this. They say that the bill has a grandfather clause. Wait until you see the regulations we write on that one there will barely be a grandfather clause left. They say that only the 5 percent of people who get their insurance through the individual market will lose their plans. But that's still millions of people.

"Now, I can hear some of you right now saying that universal coverage is worth it. [Yeah.] But let's be careful about that. The respected Congressional Budget Office says under my plan tens of millions of people will still be uninsured in 2020.

"So that's why I wanted to come here today, St. Paul. I wanted to tell you the hard truths. I know you can handle them. [Isolated clapping.] I know you will still support my plan, which, admittedly, is a little complicated. But we put a man on the moon! There's no way we're going to mess up a health-care law. Not on my watch.

"Thank you, St. Paul."

http://www.newsmax.com/RichLowry/oba...1/05/id/534809

I know it's Newsmax and Rick Lowry but this is CLASSIC!!!
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:33 PM   #2
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:35 PM   #3
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Old 11-05-2013, 03:02 PM   #4
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What should the press have done in March 2010 and July 2010 to educate the public about what "Keep the plan you like" meant according to what the passed bill actually said?

There were only a few press reports that spelled that out and not very many people learned about it.

Why was the GOP so unable to figure out what the law and the Federal Register said about that aspect of grandfathered plans?

If that is such a big deal then the GOP has only itself to blame for not pointing it out earlier. All of that stuff was public record. The Congressional Record and Federal Register are widely circulated. If it is such a big deal then they missed their chance to explain it.

I know the insurance companies knew the score and could have let their policy holders know about the requirements to grandfather plans.

Great article by Rich Lowry, ghostwriting the speech that Obama should give now. Is it not the truth that this "speech" is the "article" that his magazine should have published 3 1/2 years ago?

Are his people too illiterate to do simple analysis of widely circulated government periodicals and explain the issues to the people?
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Old 11-05-2013, 03:07 PM   #5
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What should the press have done in March 2010 and July 2010 to educate the public about what "Keep the plan you like" meant according to what the passed bill actually said?

There were only a few press reports that spelled that out and not very many people learned about it.

Why was the GOP so unable to figure out what the law and the Federal Register said about that aspect of grandfathered plans?

If that is such a big deal then the GOP has only itself to blame for not pointing it out earlier. All of that stuff was public record. The Congressional Record and Federal Register are widely circulated. If it is such a big deal then they missed their chance to explain it.

I know the insurance companies knew the score and could have let their policy holders know about the requirements to grandfather plans.

Great article by Rich Lowry, ghostwriting the speech that Obama should give now. Is it not the truth that this "speech" is the "article" that his magazine should have published 3 1/2 years ago?

Are his people too illiterate to do simple analysis of widely circulated government periodicals and explain the issues to the people?
Sheesh. So, basically everyone's fault but Obama. Yowsers.
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Old 11-05-2013, 03:09 PM   #6
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Sheesh. So, basically everyone's fault but Obama. Yowsers.
It's not lying if you don't immediately get caught.
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People should have looked into what he said and explained away his lies for him to begin with.
So, as you can see - they're at fault.
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Old 11-05-2013, 03:40 PM   #9
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What should the press have done in March 2010 and July 2010 to educate the public about what "Keep the plan you like" meant according to what the passed bill actually said?

There were only a few press reports that spelled that out and not very many people learned about it.

Why was the GOP so unable to figure out what the law and the Federal Register said about that aspect of grandfathered plans?

If that is such a big deal then the GOP has only itself to blame for not pointing it out earlier. All of that stuff was public record. The Congressional Record and Federal Register are widely circulated. If it is such a big deal then they missed their chance to explain it.

I know the insurance companies knew the score and could have let their policy holders know about the requirements to grandfather plans.

Great article by Rich Lowry, ghostwriting the speech that Obama should give now. Is it not the truth that this "speech" is the "article" that his magazine should have published 3 1/2 years ago?

Are his people too illiterate to do simple analysis of widely circulated government periodicals and explain the issues to the people?
Um, people were bitching about this the day he said "You can keep your plan if you like it". It's just that they were demonized as racists or ant-government whack jobs. The fact that they were RIGHT should give you pause...but of course, it won't...
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Old 11-05-2013, 04:01 PM   #10
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Um, people were bitching about this the day he said "You can keep your plan if you like it". It's just that they were demonized as racists or ant-government whack jobs. The fact that they were RIGHT should give you pause...but of course, it won't...
He is on a short list here of people I will not give enough respect to engage in discussion. He is a shameless shill deserving of mockery and nothing more~
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Um, people were bitching about this the day he said "You can keep your plan if you like it". It's just that they were demonized as racists or ant-government whack jobs. The fact that they were RIGHT should give you pause...but of course, it won't...
How long a pause should it give?

If Congress passed a law saying that people in the individual market could have their July 2010 plan benefits reinstated if their July 2010 insurer is willing and the parties reach an agreement on premium price, what would happen? Would that be for an indefinite term?.

If Anybody that buys on the individual market liked their July 2010 plan and hoped to grandfather it in 2014, now finds out that it is not a grandfathered plan, then why is it not the insurance company's fault for changing the plan without notifying the insured that it was going to make it ineligible for grandfathering in 2014? The insurance company knew the regulations.

As to your claim, Can you provide us some real examples where somebody explained this grandfathered plan details plain as day, but were not able to reach the masses because of some effective lying that they were racists or anti-government whack jobs?

You should be able to post links to the truth-telling. And, links to the false accusations that defeated the truth-tellers' efforts.
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Is that really awesome? Could that not be further evidence of your thesis that the forces of not-so-nice are conspiring to defeat the armies of how-it-could-be?
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What should the press have done in March 2010 and July 2010 to educate the public about what "Keep the plan you like" meant according to what the passed bill actually said?

There were only a few press reports that spelled that out and not very many people learned about it.

Why was the GOP so unable to figure out what the law and the Federal Register said about that aspect of grandfathered plans?

If that is such a big deal then the GOP has only itself to blame for not pointing it out earlier. All of that stuff was public record. The Congressional Record and Federal Register are widely circulated. If it is such a big deal then they missed their chance to explain it.

I know the insurance companies knew the score and could have let their policy holders know about the requirements to grandfather plans.

Great article by Rich Lowry, ghostwriting the speech that Obama should give now. Is it not the truth that this "speech" is the "article" that his magazine should have published 3 1/2 years ago?

Are his people too illiterate to do simple analysis of widely circulated government periodicals and explain the issues to the people?

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