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Old 10-10-2013, 09:48 AM  
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Report: Boehner to extend clean debt ceiling; Hold the line on Obamacare shutdown

GOP offers short-term debt-limit increase, but wants negotiations before ending shutdown

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Old 10-10-2013, 09:50 AM   #2
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This is exactly what I was hoping he'd do. Take the default off the table and set it on the back burner. Hold the line on a year delay of the mandate. Keep twisting that arm until it either falls off, or Obama gives in.
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Old 10-10-2013, 09:53 AM   #3
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Okay, so now Obama got what he wanted in sorts. The debt ceiling is off the table and he will get his way.
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Old 10-10-2013, 09:57 AM   #4
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So he caved. Shocking. If I was Obama I would say no deal until you reopen the government.
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:01 AM   #5
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Okay, so now Obama got what he wanted in sorts. The debt ceiling is off the table and he will get his way.
Hey, where did you go?

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Old 10-10-2013, 10:42 AM   #6
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So he caved. Shocking. If I was Obama I would say no deal until you reopen the government.
Partially caved. Actually if I understand the details, they pretty much called Obama's bluff based on what Obama has said the last couple days.
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Old 10-10-2013, 11:08 AM   #7
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If its true they are asking for budget negotiations they are caving in two ways, giving up on the debt ceiling and giving in to the democrats yearlong demands for a budget conference.
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Old 10-10-2013, 11:13 AM   #8
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So he caved. Shocking. If I was Obama I would say no deal until you reopen the government.
I can only hope he does.
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Old 10-10-2013, 11:17 AM   #9
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So he caved. Shocking. If I was Obama I would say no deal until you reopen the government.
I don't personally see it as a cave unless he takes Obamacare off the table. That doesn't appear to be what is happening. From the way it looks, he's merely back-burnering the debt ceiling for 6 weeks so he can put his focus on obtaining the year delay in the Obamacare mandate.
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Old 10-10-2013, 11:32 AM   #10
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I don't personally see it as a cave unless he takes Obamacare off the table. That doesn't appear to be what is happening. From the way it looks, he's merely back-burnering the debt ceiling for 6 weeks so he can put his focus on obtaining the year delay in the Obamacare mandate.
Obamacare is off the table outside of possibly repealing the medical device tax and other things like that. There will be no year delay of the mandate
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slightly off -topic, so apologies in advance etc.

but why isn't there something in place that requires a balanced budget? Serious question
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I don't personally see it as a cave unless he takes Obamacare off the table. That doesn't appear to be what is happening. From the way it looks, he's merely back-burnering the debt ceiling for 6 weeks so he can put his focus on obtaining the year delay in the Obamacare mandate.
Obamacare can't be taken off the table because its never been on the table. Its still not. How do you not get this?
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Old 10-10-2013, 11:35 AM   #13
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Partially caved. Actually if I understand the details, they pretty much called Obama's bluff based on what Obama has said the last couple days.
I believe Paul Ryan has been floating this idea for the last couple of weeks.
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Old 10-10-2013, 11:49 AM   #14
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Cave? The GOP continues to show that it's willing to compromise. This will look bad for Obama if he doesn't find a way to at least look a little flexible.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:03 PM   #15
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Obamacare can't be taken off the table because its never been on the table. Its still not. How do you not get this?
Screw that noise. It's on the table and will continue to be on the table until the people get the same deference that Obama gave to his buddies in big business. If a year delay in the mandate is good enough for Obama's donors, it's good enough for the rest of us.

Boehner's maneuver here is all about keeping Obamacare on the table. He's compromising, and now it's the President's turn to give a little. A year delay on a program that he's already granted delays on shouldn't be out of the question.
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