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Old 10-10-2013, 09:48 AM  
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Report: Boehner to extend clean debt ceiling; Hold the line on Obamacare shutdown

GOP offers short-term debt-limit increase, but wants negotiations before ending shutdown

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...300_print.html
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Old 10-10-2013, 02:10 PM   #31
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Its funny seeing the obama followers defending the rich.
I am not defending anything just stating a pretty well known fact
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Old 10-10-2013, 02:54 PM   #32
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We (USA) are bound by law to have a balanced budget. Something that has not happened under the Prez. Obama ignores any and all laws that he doesn't seem to like. Make it up as you go along.
And when was the last time we had that?
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Old 10-10-2013, 03:54 PM   #33
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We (USA) are bound by law to have a balanced budget. Something that has not happened under the Prez. Obama ignores any and all laws that he doesn't seem to like. Make it up as you go along.
Ok, Crazypants.
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Old 10-10-2013, 03:57 PM   #34
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Obama should agree on the condition that the negotiations be televised, so we can see if they are in good faith or not.
I would love to see Obama negotiating in real time. That would be a laugh a minute.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:00 PM   #35
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I could see Obama agreeing to a one year delay in assessing penalties to individuals if the GOP agrees to add to the budget the expenditure necessary to replace the expected revenue that the premiums and penalties would have generated and dispersing that money pro rata to the insurance plan providers.
Replace what revenue? Iowa has got like 5 people signed up for the program. The thing isn't even ready to be rolled out.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:06 PM   #36
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Replace what revenue? Iowa has got like 5 people signed up for the program. The thing isn't even ready to be rolled out.
I think jettio is salivating over all the tax penalties that people will theoretically owe when they fail to sign up for coverage until they get sick.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:10 PM   #37
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The funniest part about the penalty is the only way the IRS can make you pay it is deduct it from any refund you are eligible for. They have no teeth to collect it any other way.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:15 PM   #38
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GOP Rep: Defunding Obamacare Is 'Off The Table'

Rep. James Lankford (R-Okla.) acknowledged Thursday the fight to defund the Affordable Care Act is over for now.

"That's currently off the table now," Lankford told CNN's Jake Tapper. "That's obviously not going to happen at this point."

The Oklahoma Republican said the GOP had shifted its focus to seeking a one-year delay of Obamacare's individual mandate.

The last offer House Republicans made on a government funding bill tied a continuing resolution to a one-year mandate delay and banning federal health care subsidies for members of Congress and their staffs. GOP leadership is still seeking those reforms, but has shifted its focus to deficit reduction talks in exchange for a six-week extension of the debt limit.

Conservatives like Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho), on the other hand, weren't as willing to concede that Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-Texas) big defund-Obamacare gambit had been a total loss. Labrador didn't specify what Obamacare concessions he hoped to get at this point, but told reporters Thursday the new debt-limit offer was a prime opportunity to refocus the budget debate around the health care law.

-- Sabrina Siddiqui
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:21 PM   #39
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2:43 PM Today
GOP Rep: Defunding Obamacare Is 'Off The Table'

Rep. James Lankford (R-Okla.) acknowledged Thursday the fight to defund the Affordable Care Act is over for now.

"That's currently off the table now," Lankford told CNN's Jake Tapper. "That's obviously not going to happen at this point."

The Oklahoma Republican said the GOP had shifted its focus to seeking a one-year delay of Obamacare's individual mandate.

The last offer House Republicans made on a government funding bill tied a continuing resolution to a one-year mandate delay and banning federal health care subsidies for members of Congress and their staffs. GOP leadership is still seeking those reforms, but has shifted its focus to deficit reduction talks in exchange for a six-week extension of the debt limit.

Conservatives like Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho), on the other hand, weren't as willing to concede that Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-Texas) big defund-Obamacare gambit had been a total loss. Labrador didn't specify what Obamacare concessions he hoped to get at this point, but told reporters Thursday the new debt-limit offer was a prime opportunity to refocus the budget debate around the health care law.

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I think they got what they wanted. There isn't any question who is responsible for the health care debacle now.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:26 PM   #40
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2:43 PM Today
GOP Rep: Defunding Obamacare Is 'Off The Table'

Rep. James Lankford (R-Okla.) acknowledged Thursday the fight to defund the Affordable Care Act is over for now.

"That's currently off the table now," Lankford told CNN's Jake Tapper. "That's obviously not going to happen at this point."

The Oklahoma Republican said the GOP had shifted its focus to seeking a one-year delay of Obamacare's individual mandate.

The last offer House Republicans made on a government funding bill tied a continuing resolution to a one-year mandate delay and banning federal health care subsidies for members of Congress and their staffs. GOP leadership is still seeking those reforms, but has shifted its focus to deficit reduction talks in exchange for a six-week extension of the debt limit.

Conservatives like Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho), on the other hand, weren't as willing to concede that Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-Texas) big defund-Obamacare gambit had been a total loss. Labrador didn't specify what Obamacare concessions he hoped to get at this point, but told reporters Thursday the new debt-limit offer was a prime opportunity to refocus the budget debate around the health care law.

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This is why you always start high when entering into negotiations.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:34 PM   #41
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The funniest part about the penalty is the only way the IRS can make you pay it is deduct it from any refund you are eligible for. They have no teeth to collect it any other way.
These socialist dictators are ruthless, that's for sure.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:39 PM   #42
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These socialist dictators are ruthless, that's for sure.
So you agree the idea that Obamacare will cause everyone to buy in and make health care affordable a flat out joke from the beginning, right?
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:39 PM   #43
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This is why you always start high when entering into negotiations.
High, but within a reasonable realm of possibility, is a good place to start.
High, but no chance in hell and you look like an idiot for even suggesting it, is not productive.

Rs went with the latter.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:42 PM   #44
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So you agree the idea that Obamacare will cause everyone to buy in and make health care affordable a flat out joke from the beginning, right?
I'd go with "more affordable." It will always seem expensive.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:45 PM   #45
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Replace what revenue? Iowa has got like 5 people signed up for the program. The thing isn't even ready to be rolled out.
So if there is an individual mandate, then there will be premiums paid by those who sign up and penalties paid by those who don't and who are not otherwise exempt by income or other reason.

If there are no penalties assessed then the amount of penalty money is not paid into the system. And, there would likely be less premiums paid because more people would take the chance of not getting insurance than there would be if individual penalties would be assessed.

If the GOP wants a one year delay in assessing penalties against individuals because the businesses got a one year delay in assessing penalties then they ought to agree to an appropriation to replace the lost premiums and penalties that would have been paid.

Unless, of course they are just trying to sabotage things. If that is what they are trying to do, then good luck reaching a compromise.
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