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Old 10-10-2013, 04:32 PM  
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Obama Buys Debt Ceiling Debacle - Rejects GOP Offer

Obama Rejects G.O.P. Offer of Short-Term Debt Limit Plan

By JACKIE CALMES and ASHLEY PARKER

At a meeting at the White House, President Obama turned down the proposal from Republicans to extend the nation’s borrowing authority for six weeks because it would not also reopen the government.

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Old 10-11-2013, 08:40 AM   #46
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"Tea Partiers should nevertheless understand that, fairly or unfairly, they're saddled with a reputation for unusual recklessness. Voters aren't sure whether they can be trusted to govern. That's why their behavior in the debt ceiling standoff is so idiotic. Senator Paul and Congressman Amash, whose principled stands I frequently cheer, and Senator Ted Cruz, whose phony affect makes me mistrust him, could demonstrate themselves to be staunch fiscal conservatives and fight for small government in any number of ways. They could embark upon any number of long term strategies for reforming public policy in line with their beliefs. Among all the fights they could conceivable pick, why choose the debt-ceiling?

Stupid, stupid, stupid!

A refusal to raise the debt ceiling isn't a conscientious stand on a matter of principle, like religious liberty or due process or preventing the deaths of innocents. This particular stand will do nothing to solve America's fiscal problems, or to persuade the public that small government solutions are to be preferred. The very best scenario, if you're a fiscal conservative, is for the debt ceiling to be raised after President Obama concedes some significant decrease in spending, an extremely unlikely outcome; and if the debt ceiling isn't raised, the threat of which is the only Tea Party leverage, significant harm to the country's fiscal standing could result, putting the United States even deeper in the hole.

For all those reasons, picking this particular fight plays into every negative Tea Party stereotype. It makes Tea Party legislators seem like reckless ideologues who operate inside an information bubble, not principled men with pragmatic governing styles. It's one thing to be intransigent on matters of great consequence that implicate core beliefs or will forever change the trajectory of the nation. It is quite another thing to be intransigent on a matter that would be of little consequence if you hadn't yourself chosen it for a high-risk, low-reward fight. One begins to suspect that this isn't about better governance at all.

The downside possibilities of the government shutdown are less dire, but it too plays into the narrative of Republicans unable to deliver pragmatic governance, a lesson you'd have thought that the GOP would have learned during the last shutdown.
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So, at what point do you stop kicking the can down the road until this comes up next time with no solutions in place?

I'm not happy this is happening but it needs to. I think of it as a much needed intervention for shopaholics living off my credit card.
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Old 10-11-2013, 08:43 AM   #47
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Easily the worst President of my lifetime and possibly ever. He thinks he's a dictator and is dividing this country to a point that it hasn't been since the Civil War.
You must've forgot the frickin moron that was in office before him...
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Old 10-11-2013, 08:47 AM   #48
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Refusing to negotiate with Congress.
Essentially making law by chaging obamacare without congress' approval (actually against the law)

Few examples.
Not going to argue this again. Clearly, he is a ruthless dictator.
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Old 10-11-2013, 08:49 AM   #49
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Not going to argue this again. Clearly, he is a ruthless dictator.
More like a clueless community organizer that's in way over his head...
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:46 AM   #50
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There was no rejection yet and they are negotiating as we speak.

And this:
So the president caved on negotiating? Isn't that how we're supposed to describe these things?
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:47 AM   #51
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First president to have a Congress make such insane demands in order to get permission to pay the bills for spending that Congress authorized.
What are you talking about?
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:48 AM   #52
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You still don't know the difference between paying bills accrued and new expenditures.
Raising the debt ceiling has to do with borrowing money, not paying bills.
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You must've forgot the frickin moron that was in office before him...
No, Jimmy Carter was bad, but not this bad.
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:53 AM   #54
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Raising the debt ceiling has to do with borrowing money, not for paying bills.
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Stop accruing bills if you want. But pay the ones you owe.
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Stop accruing bills if you want. But pay the ones you owe.
How about paying the bills we owe without digging ourselves into a deeper debt hole? No one is even talking about an end to borrowing money. This argument is about whether or not we should borrow more money than ever before. Again, and again, and again. You can't address our debt problem by continuing to borrow ever larger sums of money.
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:57 AM   #56
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You must've forgot the frickin moron that was in office before him...
We're progressive..each moron is worse than the last idiot to take office. Going to take a pretty special person to up the ante on hopebama!
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Old 10-12-2013, 10:47 AM   #57
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So Obama just rejected the House deal, and the Senate just rejected the deal they had over there...
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Old 10-12-2013, 10:55 AM   #58
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Old 10-12-2013, 11:00 AM   #59
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I'm still having a hard time caring about any of this. The "spend more" and "spend insanely more" parties can thelma and louise themselves for all I care.
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My question is why wouldn't obama agree to spending cuts?
Same basic principle as before. You don't negotiate with someone holding the country for ransom. Either we get what we want or no government, no paying our financial obligations. Give a mouse a cookie........
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