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Old 10-11-2013, 02:59 AM  
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Jason Collins, Openly Gay and Still Unsigned

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/11/sp...s.html?hp&_r=0


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“That’s how I still consider myself,” he said Wednesday in his first interview since N.B.A. training camps opened last month without his participation. “Sure, I’ve picked up another title. But I feel that’s always who I’m going to be — that person who sets a good example, who represents the sport and is an asset to my team and a role model for other players.”

The question Collins has to ponder is why he has not been signed as a free agent. Is it because he is at best a marginal player with modest career statistics (3.6 points and 3.8 rebounds a game) nearing the end of his career, one who would cost more than a younger player based on the league’s collectively bargained pay scale? Or is there something more sinister at work related to the new role he would play?

Collins did not dismiss the latter notion or address it.

“You don’t want to speculate — I don’t go there,” he said while picking at a bowl of greens in a cafe in the Brentwood section of Los Angeles, near where he lives. But while conceding he would be at the lower end of a team’s depth chart at this stage of his career, he admitted being perplexed because, he said, “I feel there are players in the league right now that, quite frankly, I’m better than.”

As teams firmed up their rosters in late summer, Collins’s agent, Arn Tellem, received inquiries from at least three teams in the market for a reserve big man who understood positional defense. One of them, the Detroit Pistons, settled on Josh Harrellson, a third-year player who cost the Pistons more than $500,000 less than the nearly $1.4 million Collins would have earned — the minimum salary for a player with his experience.

Several league executives said the number of teams interested in Collins had shrunk because of new penalties for teams exceeding the luxury tax threshold.

Brooklyn was thought to be a potential landing site because Collins spent roughly half his career with the Nets when they played in New Jersey, where he was a trusted teammate of Jason Kidd, now the team’s coach. But with the Nets’ soaring payroll, Collins would have cost the team almost four times his salary in taxes.

Collins acknowledged that signing younger players would be more prudent financially, but he asked how experience could be discounted in such a competitive sport.

“In my mind it shouldn’t be about that,” he said, referring to minimizing costs. “The N.B.A. is for the best players, not for the most affordable players. There isn’t a professional athlete that doesn’t want to play 12, 13 years. What I did when I was younger was look up to the guys like Dikembe Mutombo and Alonzo Mourning who played over a decade. What did they do to last that long? A lot of it is keeping your body in shape, keeping your mind sharp, staying hungry. You should always want guys around like that to set that example, in my mind.”


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Old 10-11-2013, 10:09 AM   #46
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No team wants that media circus around them...can't say I blame them esp. for such a marginal player.
FYP. If Collins had come out a decade ago, it would be one thing. For him to come out when his career was basically over, it smacks of needing attention. I wouldn't be surprised if Collins made the announcement in hopes that some team would sign him to keep from looking homophobic.

Kerry Rhodes on the other hand is a mystery. Guys a very good player, and there are teams who need good safety play.
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:11 AM   #47
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:13 AM   #48
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:13 AM   #49
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He used to be a pretty serviceable big man. That was like 5 years ago though
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:16 AM   #50
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:32 AM   #51
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:47 AM   #52
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:54 AM   #54
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also like 43 years old and a team cancer.

what's the deal w/Kerry Rhodes?? He likes greasy man-meat??


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Old 10-11-2013, 12:53 PM   #56
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Doubt some sort of grand conspiracy is going on.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:04 PM   #57
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Doubt some sort of grand conspiracy is going on.
I don't think it's a grand conspiracy. It could easily be the result of institutionalized discrimination from the owners all the way to the players, and even fans. The Jason Collins example seems a little weak because of his age and production, but it is a tad strange Kerry Rhodes hasn't had much interest. Is it a clear example of discrimination? Not exactly. Do I think he would have been signed somewhere if he was straight? Yes. I don't know, but I think he would, based on what I've seen of his production. Sometime soon we're likely to have a more clear example with a younger player, but I think it's unlikely that it has nothing to do with his sexual orientation.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:06 PM   #58
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IMO, Kerry Rhodes says a lot about the NFL, but it doesn't tell us anything about the NBA or the Jason Collins situation.
Agree. Collins probably shouldn't be signed. Rhodes really should be.
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Collins came out when he was at the end of his career. He was a deep bench guy anyways. Why sign him?

I don't see the big deal. He was just about out as it is.
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:24 PM   #60
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IMO, Kerry Rhodes says a lot about the NFL, but it doesn't tell us anything about the NBA or the Jason Collins situation.
With regards to Kerry Rhodes, there are better NFL players still out there and unsigned.
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