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Old 10-11-2013, 11:33 AM  
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House Republicans have sent the White House a revised proposal to lift the debt ceiling for six weeks, as well as reopen government through December 15th, which was their original spending proposal before the partial shutdown. The revised GOP plan reflects the demands Obama made in a meeting with House GOP Leaders on Thursday. It also reflects the unwillingness of the DC GOP to face a fiscal showdown with Democrats.

In exchange for meeting, at least momentarily, all of Obama's demands, the House GOP is seeking a "framework" for future negotiations on addressing longer-term budget issues. These negotiations would be led for the Republicans by Rep. Paul Ryan, who is likely to seek a "grand bargain" resolving the nation's structural budget problems.

After such a swift capitulation on the current impasse, how likely is it that the GOP will be able to extract meaningful reforms during yet another round of budget talks? House Leadership has already shown that, when nearing an actual deadline, it will cave while extracting very few concessions.

The GOP surrender comes at a time when it is in a stronger position than it was during the partial government shutdown in 1995/96. The public generally blames both parties and President Obama for the fiscal stalemate. Obama's approval ratings, meanwhile, have cratered to 37%, the lowest of his Presidency.

In addition, 61% of the public thinks significant spending cuts have to be part of any deal to lift the debt ceiling. By that, they mean actual cuts, not a "framework" to discuss cuts.

The House GOP has signaled to the Democrats that it is desperate to end the stand-off. They will, of course, promise that they will have more "leverage" next time. They've said that so many times, they probably even believe it.
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:33 AM   #2
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The ball is squarely in the court of Obama and Reid. The Repubs have agreed to re-open the government and raise the debt ceiling.

No more excuses now for the Left.
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:38 AM   #3
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:43 AM   #4
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The public never was going to go along with the GOP, don't know why they even did this.
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:50 AM   #5
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It hasn't even been put up for a vote yet so until the House passes it I will believe it when I see it.
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:51 AM   #6
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The public never was going to go along with the GOP, don't know why they even did this.
Because the crazy ****ing nutjob wing has taken over the party, again.

Making outrageous demands that have no chance of being accepted is not a smart strategy anywhere and it looks even worse in politics.
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:53 AM   #7
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The public never was going to go along with the GOP, don't know why they even did this.
I believe the US Gov't is deeply studying americans & their social trends.
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:57 AM   #8
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With respect to who wanted to shut down government and who was willing to see our country default on it's debts, the only thing we can say for sure based on this development is that the Republicans weren't the ones who wanted either. Quite a few of you have some crow to eat.
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:59 AM   #9
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With respect to who wanted to shut down government and who was willing to see our country default on it's debts, the only thing we can say for sure based on this development is that the Republicans weren't the ones who wanted either. Quite a few of you have some crow to eat.
John McCain disagrees with you (from today on Fox News):

"Let's have a little straight talk, Martha," McCain said. "[The administration] wouldn't have had the opportunity to handle it that way if we had not shut down the government on a fool's errand that we were not going to accomplish. The whole premise of shutting down the government was the repeal of Obamacare.
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:05 PM   #10
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Reid is already balking at this plan.
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:10 PM   #11
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John McCain disagrees with you (from today on Fox News):

"Let's have a little straight talk, Martha," McCain said. "[The administration] wouldn't have had the opportunity to handle it that way if we had not shut down the government on a fool's errand that we were not going to accomplish. The whole premise of shutting down the government was the repeal of Obamacare.
John McCain disagrees with me? Big news! Tell me about Barney Frank and Stephanie Cutter. (Besides, it doesn't sound like McCain really disagrees with me from the quote you provided.)
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:41 PM   #12
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It appears they have reason to cave.

NBC's Brian Williams and Chuck Todd underscored the damage that the government shutdown has done to politicians in general and the Republicans in particular in their Thursday report on the network's latest poll.

The poll was especially bad for the GOP. Todd said that the party's 53 percent disapproval rating was "the worst rating for Republicans in this poll's nearly 25-year history."

Overall, Todd said, "this swift and resounding public response to the shutdown even shocked our pollsters."

"These were jaw-dropping numbers," one of those pollsters, Democrat Peter Hart, told the network.

On Friday's "Morning Joe," Todd continued the theme.

"John Boehner and Ted Cruz have successfully done what Newt Gingrich couldn't do: get a majority of the country to blame the Republicans rather than a plurality," he said. He added that the Republicans had also made Obamacare "less unpopular" with Americans.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:04 PM   #13
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Bill Moyers on the subject of the shutdown. Finally, a voice of reason....

http://billmoyers.com/segment/bill-m...down-showdown/
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:12 PM   #14
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John McCain disagrees with you (from today on Fox News):

"Let's have a little straight talk, Martha," McCain said. "[The administration] wouldn't have had the opportunity to handle it that way if we had not shut down the government on a fool's errand that we were not going to accomplish. The whole premise of shutting down the government was the repeal of Obamacare.
John McCain is Hillary Clinton in Drag. There isn't a conservative alive who cares what John McCain has to say.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:12 PM   #15
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It appears they have reason to cave.

NBC's Brian Williams and Chuck Todd underscored the damage that the government shutdown has done to politicians in general and the Republicans in particular in their Thursday report on the network's latest poll.

The poll was especially bad for the GOP. Todd said that the party's 53 percent disapproval rating was "the worst rating for Republicans in this poll's nearly 25-year history."

Overall, Todd said, "this swift and resounding public response to the shutdown even shocked our pollsters."

"These were jaw-dropping numbers," one of those pollsters, Democrat Peter Hart, told the network.

On Friday's "Morning Joe," Todd continued the theme.

"John Boehner and Ted Cruz have successfully done what Newt Gingrich couldn't do: get a majority of the country to blame the Republicans rather than a plurality," he said. He added that the Republicans had also made Obamacare "less unpopular" with Americans.
You had me up until NBC.
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