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Old 10-11-2013, 10:33 AM  
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House Republicans have sent the White House a revised proposal to lift the debt ceiling for six weeks, as well as reopen government through December 15th, which was their original spending proposal before the partial shutdown. The revised GOP plan reflects the demands Obama made in a meeting with House GOP Leaders on Thursday. It also reflects the unwillingness of the DC GOP to face a fiscal showdown with Democrats.

In exchange for meeting, at least momentarily, all of Obama's demands, the House GOP is seeking a "framework" for future negotiations on addressing longer-term budget issues. These negotiations would be led for the Republicans by Rep. Paul Ryan, who is likely to seek a "grand bargain" resolving the nation's structural budget problems.

After such a swift capitulation on the current impasse, how likely is it that the GOP will be able to extract meaningful reforms during yet another round of budget talks? House Leadership has already shown that, when nearing an actual deadline, it will cave while extracting very few concessions.

The GOP surrender comes at a time when it is in a stronger position than it was during the partial government shutdown in 1995/96. The public generally blames both parties and President Obama for the fiscal stalemate. Obama's approval ratings, meanwhile, have cratered to 37%, the lowest of his Presidency.

In addition, 61% of the public thinks significant spending cuts have to be part of any deal to lift the debt ceiling. By that, they mean actual cuts, not a "framework" to discuss cuts.

The House GOP has signaled to the Democrats that it is desperate to end the stand-off. They will, of course, promise that they will have more "leverage" next time. They've said that so many times, they probably even believe it.
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:17 PM   #16
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:43 PM   #17
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John McCain is Hillary Clinton in Drag. There isn't a conservative alive who cares what John McCain has to say.
There were sure alot of conservatives voting for him in 08 and 10 to not care.
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:43 PM   #18
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Because the crazy ****ing nutjob wing has taken over the party, again.

Making outrageous demands that have no chance of being accepted is not a smart strategy anywhere and it looks even worse in politics.


how many does it take to take over?
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:49 PM   #19
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There were sure alot of conservatives voting for him in 08 and 10 to not care.
Did you see who he was running against? The disaster his opponent has been over the past 4 1/2 years should be enough to explain it.

Hillary Clinton looked good by comparison.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:02 PM   #20
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The propaganda wing of the DNC thinks Republicans suck? Now there’s a shocking turn of events.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:03 PM   #21
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John McCain disagrees with you (from today on Fox News):

"Let's have a little straight talk, Martha," McCain said. "[The administration] wouldn't have had the opportunity to handle it that way if we had not shut down the government on a fool's errand that we were not going to accomplish. The whole premise of shutting down the government was the repeal of Obamacare.
Gramps McRino agrees with Dems? The revelations must cease, not sure I can take anymore.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:04 PM   #22
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how many does it take to take over?
Not that many. Count up the people who call themselves teabaggers and that's how many it takes at the moment.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:05 PM   #23
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Not that many. Count up the people who call themselves teabaggers and that's how many it takes at the moment.

who are those
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:46 PM   #24
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Reid is already balking at this plan.
If so then the tables have turned and the Repubs should pull everything back. I was afraid of the goal posts being moved by the Left. I don't think Obama can afford this though. I think he will go along.

How would it look if the Repubs put up a bill that opened the gov, raised the debt ceiling and asked for promises to talk later and Reid shot it down.


Outside of Cosmo and Cave Johnson, few would be able to defend the Dems on that.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:51 PM   #25
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If so then the tables have turned and the Repubs should pull everything back. I was afraid of the goal posts being moved by the Left. I don't think Obama can afford this though. I think he will go along.

How would it look if the Repubs put up a bill that opened the gov, raised the debt ceiling and asked for promises to talk later and Reid shot it down.


Outside of Cosmo and Cave Johnson, few would be able to defend the Dems on that.
According to CNN just now the bill the House is going to put forward won't open the government back up.
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Old 10-11-2013, 03:29 PM   #26
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It hasn't even been put up for a vote yet so until the House passes it I will believe it when I see it.
The R's are scared shitless to vote on anything that would reopen the government without something in hand to show their "base".
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Old 10-11-2013, 03:37 PM   #27
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I'm a Republican who hates liberals but I really don't know what the party is doing. The whole point of democracy is to win the battle of public opinion and install your policies in an orderly fashion via Congress. If you don't like ACA then repeal it. If you can't, then you lost the battle of ideas. If Liberals were behaving this way I'd be annoyed.
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Old 10-11-2013, 03:39 PM   #28
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I'm a Republican who hates liberals but I really don't know what the party is doing. The whole point of democracy is to win the battle of public opinion and install your policies in an orderly fashion via Congress. If you don't like ACA then repeal it. If you can't, then you lost the battle of ideas. If Liberals were behaving this way I'd be annoyed.
Best post of yours I've ever seen. Congrats and I agree, if the D's where pulling this I'd be pulling my hair out.
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Old 10-11-2013, 03:44 PM   #29
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All I can say is, the tactic of shutting down the government because of a law that is unpopular with the Tea Party sets a very dangerous precedent. Imagine if Democrats were to shut down the government over gun registration and ownership laws? It could happen if this tactic becomes part of the legislative "toolbox." Throw tantrum until you get something you want.

I agree that if the law is a bad law, then the Republicans should be able to convince enough voters to elect politicians that will repeal it. They had two shots; in 2008 and 2012, and failed on both of those votes. Good luck on 2016, especially once people figure out that the Affordable Care Act is a good thing. You know, like Medicare is a good thing, and letting black people vote is a good thing, and letting women vote is a good thing....
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