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Old 10-11-2013, 12:06 PM  
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Sagarin NFL Ratings: Chiefs #8 (#32 SOS)

Anyone disagree? In the rating we have the worst schedule in the NFL so far, with Denver only 1 slot better. After this week when they've played Jax it might change, but we are playing the 2-3 Raiders so it might still be close.


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On point differential however, we have an expected W/L record of 4.3-0.7 whereas Denver is only 3.8-1.2. However, the simple rating system (Pro Football Reference) has them at a whopping 15.4 vs us at 8.9 based on our low SOS. We're behind the same Sagarin teams like Seattle, Indy, NE, etc:

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/kan/2013.htm




I'm having trouble finding any computer ranking that puts us in the Top 5. This computer ranking system was the worst at 16th overall which seems stupid but at least he's predicting a 6.03 point win vs Oakland Sunday:
http://talismanred.com/ratings/nfl.shtml
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:51 AM   #31
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Moves up to #6 today. But SOS is still #32, barely, despite Denver playing Jax. (We stay behind Denver because Oakland is now #30 in Sagarin)
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:21 AM   #32
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The records of our opponents so far this year, minus all Chiefs/Broncos games:

Jags: 0-4

Cowboys: 3-1

Eagles: 3-1

Giants: 0-4

Titans: 3-2

Raiders: 2-2

I maintain my opinion from earlier in this thread: We have beaten two shitrockets, one decent team, and three good teams.
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:47 PM   #33
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Old 10-15-2013, 01:05 PM   #34
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It bears mentioning that the Cowboys and Eagles are 2-1 against non-Chiefs/Broncos teams.

The Giants are 0-4. The Jags are also 0fers.

The Titans are 3-1 against non-Chiefs teams.

My contention is that we've beaten three real good teams, and two shitrockets.

Shitrockets that we've beaten by at least three touchdowns each, by the way. This team is for real.
exactly this ^
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Old 10-15-2013, 01:25 PM   #35
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Well, if you're taking out the Chiefs and Broncos, you should probably look at their wins, too...

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The records of our opponents so far this year, minus all Chiefs/Broncos games:

Jags: 0-4

Cowboys: 3-1
-- Giants, Redskins, Rams -- 4-13 and the Rams have 3 of those wins

Eagles: 3-1
-- Redskins, Giants, Bucs -- 1-15

Giants: 0-4

Titans: 3-2
-- Steelers, Chargers, Jets -- 7-10

Raiders: 2-2
-- Jaguars, Chargers -- 3-9

I maintain my opinion from earlier in this thread: We have beaten two shitrockets, one decent team, and three good teams.
Conclusion: What a crapfest. Kind of the problem with comparing schedules though... there are so many shitty-mediocre teams, there just aren't many tests in the regular season. Unfortunately, the previous big tests haven't really proven themselves to be contenders, but fortunately they'll have at least a couple of huge tests along with maybe 2-3 others.
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Old 10-15-2013, 01:38 PM   #36
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I have to say, the Giants does not look like a 0-4 team. They are just snake bitten so hard, it's silly.
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Old 10-15-2013, 01:58 PM   #37
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I hate the SOS argument. I mean there are two 6-0 teams in our division basically playing the same teams.
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:39 PM   #38
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The SOS is important because it explains why we're only #6 overall despite having the record we have. It won't improve either with our next two dog opponents. I think our fans who are still a bit conflicted on how good we really are have a fair point to make.
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:42 PM   #39
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The SOS is important because it explains why we're only #6 overall despite having the record we have. It won't improve either with our next two dog opponents. I think our fans who are still a bit conflicted on how good we really are have a fair point to make.
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Take a look at whom the Chiefs have beaten and you reflexively temper the long-term expectations. The Jaguars, Cowboys, Eagles, Giants, Titans and Raiders are a combined 11-25. Yes, we know, six of those 25 losses were at the hands of the Chiefs. Discounting those Kansas City wins, the collective record is 11-19 and the winning percentage rises from .306 to .367. That's still awful.
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:53 PM   #40
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On the other hand, it's not like the Chiefs randomly selected the Jaguars. Regardless of the SOS or not, the bad teams like Jacksonville and I guess I'll throw in the Giants because of their record, they dominated those teams, although the Giant game took a little while to get it going.

Still, KC is beating the bad teams they should be beating, and beating average teams. I should also point out that beating teams on the road is no easy task, and KC is 3-0 in that regard.
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:59 PM   #41
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On the other hand, it's not like the Chiefs randomly selected the Jaguars. Regardless of the SOS or not, the bad teams like Jacksonville and I guess I'll throw in the Giants because of their record, they dominated those teams, although the Giant game took a little while to get it going.

Still, KC is beating the bad teams they should be beating, and beating average teams. I should also point out that beating teams on the road is no easy task, and KC is 3-0 in that regard.
No doubt. You can only play who you're scheduled to play.

But on the flip side of that, surely you can understand why the national media, and even fans of the team aren't exactly sure how good they are just yet.

They've let two bad teams hang around until the 4th quarter, and almost let a backup QB beat them.

And speaking of backup QB's, this is shaping up to look a lot like 2010, when we kept facing backup QB's. Looks like we're going to get a backup 5 weeks in a row. Yes, we're taking advantage of it, but it doesn't give a clear picture of what to expect when we actually play a team with a real offense.
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Funny how Denver's opponents have an equally shitty record, yet nobody seems to hold that against them.

I guess even Sagarin's computer is set to ballwash Manning.
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Old 10-15-2013, 03:09 PM   #43
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Funny how Denver's opponents have an equally shitty record, yet nobody seems to hold that against them.

I guess even Sagarin's computer is set to ballwash Manning.
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And speaking of backup QB's, this is shaping up to look a lot like 2010, when we kept facing backup QB's. Looks like we're going to get a backup 5 weeks in a row. Yes, we're taking advantage of it, but it doesn't give a clear picture of what to expect when we actually play a team with a real offense.
Please don't say that. Even though I'm afraid you might be right.
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Funny how Denver's opponents have an equally shitty record, yet nobody seems to hold that against them.

I guess even Sagarin's computer is set to ballwash Manning.
If we were scoring 45 points a game, I don't think anyone would have doubts about us either.
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