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Joseph Atwill Claims Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.

London (PRWEB UK) 8 October 2013

American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com).

Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

Atwill's most intriguing discovery came to him while he was studying "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea] alongside the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he recounts. "Although it's been recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'"

Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed."

Further information can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com.

About Joseph Atwill: Joseph Atwill is the author of the best-selling book "Caesar's Messiah" and its upcoming sequel "The Single Strand."



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I thought it was pretty interesting and was like 4 minutes. But whatever.
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No, not at all. Actual historical references to Jesus Christ are essentially non existent outside of Christian sources or sources that stemmed directly from Christian sources.

And if Jesus did exist, he would have definitely been dark skinned. The Jesus pictures hanging in most American homes are just blatantly wrong and show a need for people to identify with a Jesus similar in appearance to them.
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No, not at all. Actual historical references to Jesus Christ are essentially non existent outside of Christian sources or sources that stemmed directly from Christian sources.

And if Jesus did exist, he would have definitely been dark skinned. The Jesus pictures hanging in most American homes are just blatantly wrong and show a need for people to identify with a Jesus similar in appearance to them.
I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagles wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm hammered drunk!
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I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagles wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm hammered drunk!
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That's equivalent to me saying "I'm pretty sure John was a real guy, I mean look at history books, lots of mentions of the name John."

I am not taking a stance that Jesus didn't exist or was a myth or even was an amalgam of different Messianic figures of the day. I am simply stating the fact that there really isn't any concrete evidence to point to one particular Jesus that fits the Biblical narrative. BUT just because we don't have specific corroboration of the Gospels doesn't mean they aren't based on a real man. I just don't like people stating that it is an undisputed fact. It simply isn't.
That's a snarky smart ass response. I"m obviously speaking of a specific man who inspired the legend.

I was simply stating there's enough evidence I believe he was a real actual guy. It's not an assertion of undisputed fact, but an opinion. I am entitled to that.

No need to be a prick about it.

I'm an atheist, so I obviously don't believe the whole 'son of god' stuff, but I also don't buy that he's an entirely fictitious character. JMO

Also, FWIW, the image of Jesus has a back story. The first time a painting of Jesus was commissioned the artist didn't know what he looked like. He asked the man commissioning the painting and he told him to paint him in the image of his uncle. That's the story of White Jesus. You'd have to be naive or dumb as shit to think a 2000 year old jew from the middle east looked like that. He probably looked more like Osama Bin Laden.

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That's a snarky smart ass response. I"m obviously speaking of a specific man who inspired the legend.

I was simply stating there's enough evidence I believe he was a real actual guy. It's not an assertion of undisputed fact, but an opinion. I am entitled to that.

No need to be a prick about it.

I'm an atheist, so I obviously don't believe the whole 'son of god' stuff, but I also don't buy that he's an entirely fictitious character. JMO

Also, FWIW, the image of Jesus has a back story. The first time a painting of Jesus was commissioned the artist didn't know what he looked like. He asked the man commissioning the painting and he told him to paint him in the image of his uncle. That's the story of White Jesus. You'd have to be naive or dumb as shit to think a 2000 year old jew from the middle east looked like that. He probably looked more like Osama Bin Laden.
What he looked like matters not, how you spell his name matters not. It's the Spirit you are after.
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I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagles wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm hammered drunk!
Turning water into wine, feeding the masses with little, healing the sick and raising the dead. Yeah I could hang with him, easily.

First, I'd get shit faced on the wine, probably choke on some food or get a bad hangover. He's got all this covered plus if my bac went toxic or I did choke to death he could raise me back up.
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Also, FWIW, the image of Jesus has a back story. The first time a painting of Jesus was commissioned the artist didn't know what he looked like. He asked the man commissioning the painting and he told him to paint him in the image of his uncle. That's the story of White Jesus.
That could be the story of a painting of white Jesus, but not the depiction of him like that at all. Since there aren't any images of him from Roman times (Romans were understandably less than enthusiastic about having artwork of the guy floating around), every culture paints him like one of them. It's an old enough phenomenon, and art was so dodgy back then, that there really isn't one first "white Jesus".

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You'd have to be naive or dumb as shit to think a 2000 year old jew from the middle east looked like that. He probably looked more like Osama Bin Laden.
A younger version, sure, and without the turban or the ZZ Top beard. If he walked down the streets of New York City now, chances are more than one person sharing the sidewalk with him would think he was a terrorist.

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I went on some archeology digs while I was over there. The professional archeologists seem to think that there was a man named Jesus. And around the time mentioned in the bible that "something" happened between him and Herod to cause the Romans to kill him. But, its all secondary evidence so no scientific conclusions.
So you think Herod ordered the deaths of the male children? Also Herod died 4BCE so how do you account for that?
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