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Joseph Atwill Claims Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.

London (PRWEB UK) 8 October 2013

American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com).

Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

Atwill's most intriguing discovery came to him while he was studying "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea] alongside the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he recounts. "Although it's been recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'"

Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed."

Further information can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com.

About Joseph Atwill: Joseph Atwill is the author of the best-selling book "Caesar's Messiah" and its upcoming sequel "The Single Strand."



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Old 10-11-2013, 02:34 PM   #31
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:37 PM   #32
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One shred of physical evidence of your god besides the bible and you win. Something that is real or happened NOT in your book that can only be attributed to something of a higher power.
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:38 PM   #33
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Run and hide, reality is intruding into your fantasy life again. Just stick your fingers in your ears and yell, "La la la" as long and as hard as you can. Whatever works for you.
I'm hiding in plain sight, laughing at you. Penance is needed on your part.
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:40 PM   #34
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No, the historical existence of Jesus is very much in question.
Yep.

The existence of A Jesus is not in question, there are a ton of accounts of various "messianic" Jesuses (Jesae?) at the time. There isn't however much concrete historical evidence of one particular Jesus that fits the New Testament narrative. The closest thing we have is from Tacitus mentioning a Jesus being sentenced to death by Pilate... but again, remember there were a LOT of Jesuses running around at that time claiming to be Saviours... so it stands to reason a number of them would get themselves killed for it.
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Interesting page. Was this the text you were referring to?

The historian E. Mary Smallwood writes:


...was conceited, not only about his own learning but also about the opinions held of him as commander both by the Galileans and by the Romans; he was guilty of shocking duplicity at Jotapata, saving himself by sacrifice of his companions; he was too naive to see how he stood condemned out of his own mouth for his conduct, and yet no words were too harsh when he was blackening his opponents; and after landing, however involuntarily, in the Roman camp, he turned his captivity to his own advantage, and benefited for the rest of his days from his change of side.
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I'm hiding in plain sight, laughing at you. Penance is needed on your part.
Yeah, lots of crazy people laugh too much. Cathartic I guess.
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Interesting page. Was this the text you were referring to?

The historian E. Mary Smallwood writes:


...was conceited, not only about his own learning but also about the opinions held of him as commander both by the Galileans and by the Romans; he was guilty of shocking duplicity at Jotapata, saving himself by sacrifice of his companions; he was too naive to see how he stood condemned out of his own mouth for his conduct, and yet no words were too harsh when he was blackening his opponents; and after landing, however involuntarily, in the Roman camp, he turned his captivity to his own advantage, and benefited for the rest of his days from his change of side.
What might be your point?
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That's what I was asking you.
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Yeah, lots of crazy people laugh too much. Cathartic I guess.
You keep on hating, I'll keep laughing.
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No, not at all. Actual historical references to Jesus Christ are essentially non existent outside of Christian sources or sources that stemmed directly from Christian sources.

And if Jesus did exist, he would have definitely been dark skinned. The Jesus pictures hanging in most American homes are just blatantly wrong and show a need for people to identify with a Jesus similar in appearance to them.
Not NON existent. There are a number of historical references that COULD be the same Jesus. The problem is (like I said before) there were A LOT of Jesuses at the time so I'm not sure how valid it is to pick out the historical references you like and ignore the Jesus references you don't like.

Let's not say DARK skinned. That's probably not true either. He just as easily could look like any average Lebanese person does today... which is a pretty broad range to go by. (I say Lebanese because the ethnic makeup is closer to Israel During Jesus' time than modern day Israel is)
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You keep on hating, I'll keep laughing.
One of the unfortunate side effects of creating a false reality is that you have problems interpreting the motivations or emotional states of others. In much the same way that an injured dog will lash out at its rescuers, an insane person will attack the rational, which is perceived as a threat.
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Cool. But that does not provide physical evidence of a god. Try again.
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That's what I was asking you.
You can look up Testimonium Flavianum if you like, that might explain a few things for you. Or you can ignore it and follow your current favorite GOD hater.
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