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Joseph Atwill Claims Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.

London (PRWEB UK) 8 October 2013

American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com).

Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

Atwill's most intriguing discovery came to him while he was studying "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea] alongside the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he recounts. "Although it's been recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'"

Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed."

Further information can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com.

About Joseph Atwill: Joseph Atwill is the author of the best-selling book "Caesar's Messiah" and its upcoming sequel "The Single Strand."



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Old 10-11-2013, 04:04 PM   #76
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Yeah, I read that it just seems really far fetched. They probably should have left the part out then about him flipping over tables and stuff after he got pissed off in the temple.
That's pretty dramatic though. Flipping tables.
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Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

But that really doesn't explain why they spent eons putting them to death. If they wanted them around then why kill them? And since Ceasars were basically deities why create a competing deity?
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So Atwill is a computer science graduate who spent his life ad a programmer. He made money during the dot com boom and retiring, decided to become a scholar. But without going anywhere to receive any type of formal education, but by reading books. Self taught expert.



This is the type of "scholar" we are making fun of, Lane.
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But that really doesn't explain why they spent eons putting them to death. If they wanted them around then why kill them? And since Ceasars were basically deities why create a competing deity?
Well... I mean much of that was Christians jumping on swords to be martyrs. A lot of 'problem' people were easy to eliminate because they were more than happy to die for Jesus. That's what they were taught. Christians would show up, declare themselves christians and demand to be executed. It actually created frustration among Romans who opposed it to the point many refused to execute them.

Having said that it smells like bullshit. This guy has been chasing history in pursuit of a specific narrative and that's EXACTLY what's wrong with ALL biblical scholars. They simply find the answers they WANT and then interpret their data to support it. I call this "Alex Jones Logic". Any person claiming to be an empiricist should be very skeptical of this, but it seems many are embracing it simply because it's a narrative they like.

Jesus is mentioned, by name, in non Romans Texts. I'm not buying it. I'm still pretty sure Yeshua was a real guy. I'm curious what actual proof he has other than how HE interpreted the bible.
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But that really doesn't explain why they spent eons putting them to death. If they wanted them around then why kill them? And since Ceasars were basically deities why create a competing deity?
Are you referring to Christians, Jews or rebellious Roman citizens?
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Well... I mean much of that was Christians jumping on swords to be martyrs. A lot of 'problem' people were easy to eliminate because they were more than happy to die for Jesus. That's what they were taught. Christians would show up, declare themselves christians and demand to be executed. It actually created frustration among Romans who opposed it to the point many refused to execute them.

Having said that it smells like bullshit. This guy has been chasing history in pursuit of a specific narrative and that's EXACTLY what's wrong with ALL biblical scholars. They simply find the answers they WANT and then interpret their data to support it. I call this "Alex Jones Logic". Any person claiming to be an empiricist should be very skeptical of this, but it seems many are embracing it simply because it's a narrative they like.

Jesus is mentioned, by name, in non Romans Texts. I'm not buying it. I'm still pretty sure Yeshua was a real guy. I'm curious what actual proof he has other than how HE interpreted the bible.
The burden of proof is squarely upon these two guys who will be speaking.
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Are you referring to Christians, Jews or rebellious Roman citizens?
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Jesus is mentioned, by name, in non Romans Texts. I'm not buying it. I'm still pretty sure Yeshua was a real guy. I'm curious what actual proof he has other than how HE interpreted the bible.
That's equivalent to me saying "I'm pretty sure John was a real guy, I mean look at history books, lots of mentions of the name John."

I am not taking a stance that Jesus didn't exist or was a myth or even was an amalgam of different Messianic figures of the day. I am simply stating the fact that there really isn't any concrete evidence to point to one particular Jesus that fits the Biblical narrative. BUT just because we don't have specific corroboration of the Gospels doesn't mean they aren't based on a real man. I just don't like people stating that it is an undisputed fact. It simply isn't.
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Christmas is an invented holiday.
invented? No. Re-defined and re-labeled? Yes.
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Sad and sorry to say but most "Christians" have no ****ing clue about the history of their religion. I don't dismiss their intentions in being Christian but I do pity their lack of knowledge regarding the history of their chosen religion.
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For anyone who cares to get a quick overview on Paganism and Christianity I offer this link. If it piques your interest I would say to Google more on the topic as there is tons of stuff out there.

http://www.ucg.org/holidays-and-holy...-christianity/
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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, [/url]
stopped reading here....dude has no clue.

his message is not shocking, nor suprising....it's right on time.
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No, not at all. Actual historical references to Jesus Christ are essentially non existent outside of Christian sources or sources that stemmed directly from Christian sources.

And if Jesus did exist, he would have definitely been dark skinned. The Jesus pictures hanging in most American homes are just blatantly wrong and show a need for people to identify with a Jesus similar in appearance to them.
Darked skin, but still a Caucasian.
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Sad and sorry to say but most "Christians" have no ****ing clue about the history of their religion. I don't dismiss their intentions in being Christian but I do pity their lack of knowledge regarding the history of their chosen religion.
So what? How many Americans know much about their history? Doesn't make them any less of an American so long as they obey the laws, do the right thing and want what's best for the nation.
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