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Joseph Atwill Claims Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.

London (PRWEB UK) 8 October 2013

American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com).

Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

Atwill's most intriguing discovery came to him while he was studying "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea] alongside the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he recounts. "Although it's been recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'"

Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed."

Further information can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com.

About Joseph Atwill: Joseph Atwill is the author of the best-selling book "Caesar's Messiah" and its upcoming sequel "The Single Strand."



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Old 10-11-2013, 07:37 PM   #91
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So what? How many Americans know much about their history? Doesn't make them any less of an American so long as they obey the laws, do the right thing and want what's best for the nation.
Go back and read what I said....just do it a little slower
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Old 10-11-2013, 08:22 PM   #92
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Your mind is as closed as always. No big deal. You lack the capacity to be objective in any discussion involving your own religious beliefs. You've proved that over and over again.
Look in the mirror my COEXIST friend. Remember, you are your own God as your signature say's and when you think you are your own God you have a closed mind.

Anytime I see this COEXIST bumper stickers I just chuckle because that is the last thing these Progressive Lefties want to do is COEXIST with evangelical Christians but rather they would like to exterminate them and then justify it in the name of organized religion is bad.

COEXISTERS just doing the work of Marx going after the Judeo/Christian God of the Bible named JESUS !!!!
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Old 10-11-2013, 08:25 PM   #93
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For anyone who cares to get a quick overview on Paganism and Christianity I offer this link. If it piques your interest I would say to Google more on the topic as there is tons of stuff out there.

http://www.ucg.org/holidays-and-holy...-christianity/
Yeah, Xmas and Easter are pagan holidays. And.......?????
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No, the historical existence of Jesus is very much in question.
Even with over 500 witness testimonies seeing Christ after the resurrection ???
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Old 10-11-2013, 08:35 PM   #95
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Look in the mirror my COEXIST friend. Remember, you are your own God as your signature say's and when you think you are your own God you have a closed mind.

Anytime I see this COEXIST bumper stickers I just chuckle because that is the last thing these Progressive Lefties want to do is COEXIST with evangelical Christians but rather they would like to exterminate them and then justify it in the name of organized religion is bad.

COEXISTERS just doing the work of Marx going after the Judeo/Christian God of the Bible named JESUS !!!!





That's nice. My sig has nothing to with the "coexist" thing, and you probably do need a book to provide yourself with some kind of moral compass. Good for you that you found one.
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:00 PM   #96
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That's equivalent to me saying "I'm pretty sure John was a real guy, I mean look at history books, lots of mentions of the name John."

I am not taking a stance that Jesus didn't exist or was a myth or even was an amalgam of different Messianic figures of the day. I am simply stating the fact that there really isn't any concrete evidence to point to one particular Jesus that fits the Biblical narrative. BUT just because we don't have specific corroboration of the Gospels doesn't mean they aren't based on a real man. I just don't like people stating that it is an undisputed fact. It simply isn't.
I went on some archeology digs while I was over there. The professional archeologists seem to think that there was a man named Jesus. And around the time mentioned in the bible that "something" happened between him and Herod to cause the Romans to kill him. But, its all secondary evidence so no scientific conclusions.
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:11 PM   #97
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Yeah, Xmas and Easter are pagan holidays. And.......?????
Is that all you took from that? Do some more searching and you will find that just about every single Christian holiday is rooted in Paganism. Along with every single "miracle" Jesus allegedly performed.

I am not trying to piss on anyone's parade. I am just pointing out historical fact.
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:36 PM   #98
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Is that all you took from that? Do some more searching and you will find that just about every single Christian holiday is rooted in Paganism. Along with every single "miracle" Jesus allegedly performed.

I am not trying to piss on anyone's parade. I am just pointing out historical fact.
There are NO Christian Holidays, Jesus and his disciples had nothing to do with those. We invented those to cover up pagan holidays. Same with Hannakah it was not part of the original 7.
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Go back and read what I said....just do it a little slower
I did, but it made no sense the second time around either.
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So Jesus is basically a cheap mish mosh of ten other deity figures that predated him? Thanks Obama.
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I went on some archeology digs while I was over there. The professional archeologists seem to think that there was a man named Jesus. And around the time mentioned in the bible that "something" happened between him and Herod to cause the Romans to kill him. But, its all secondary evidence so no scientific conclusions.
Yep. The problem is that we have evidence of multiple men named Jesus at that time. You had Jesus ben Ananias, Jesus ben Sirach, Jesus ben Pandera and of course BARRABAS was actually Jesus Barabbas. We are talking about a VERY common name. So there is almost no doubt that multiple people named Jesus crossed Herod at some point and likely had trouble with the Romans as well.

Again, it in no way invalidates the Gospels it just shows how silly it is based on the scant evidence we have to make a claim that there is definitive historical proof of Jesus Christ.
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Even with over 500 witness testimonies seeing Christ after the resurrection ???
500 witness testimonies huh? I didn't see that in the report.....
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Yep. The problem is that we have evidence of multiple men named Jesus at that time. You had Jesus ben Ananias, Jesus ben Sirach, Jesus ben Pandera and of course BARRABAS was actually Jesus Barabbas. We are talking about a VERY common name. So there is almost no doubt that multiple people named Jesus crossed Herod at some point and likely had trouble with the Romans as well.

Again, it in no way invalidates the Gospels it just shows how silly it is based on the scant evidence we have to make a claim that there is definitive historical proof of Jesus Christ.
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Yep. The problem is that we have evidence of multiple men named Jesus at that time. You had Jesus ben Ananias, Jesus ben Sirach, Jesus ben Pandera and of course BARRABAS was actually Jesus Barabbas. We are talking about a VERY common name. So there is almost no doubt that multiple people named Jesus crossed Herod at some point and likely had trouble with the Romans as well.

Again, it in no way invalidates the Gospels it just shows how silly it is based on the scant evidence we have to make a claim that there is definitive historical proof of Jesus Christ.
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