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Joseph Atwill Claims Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.

London (PRWEB UK) 8 October 2013

American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com).

Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

Atwill's most intriguing discovery came to him while he was studying "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea] alongside the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he recounts. "Although it's been recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'"

Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed."

Further information can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com.

About Joseph Atwill: Joseph Atwill is the author of the best-selling book "Caesar's Messiah" and its upcoming sequel "The Single Strand."



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Old 10-12-2013, 09:32 AM   #106
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Old 10-12-2013, 12:24 PM   #107
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Yep. The problem is that we have evidence of multiple men named Jesus at that time. You had Jesus ben Ananias, Jesus ben Sirach, Jesus ben Pandera and of course BARRABAS was actually Jesus Barabbas. We are talking about a VERY common name. So there is almost no doubt that multiple people named Jesus crossed Herod at some point and likely had trouble with the Romans as well.

Again, it in no way invalidates the Gospels it just shows how silly it is based on the scant evidence we have to make a claim that there is definitive historical proof of Jesus Christ.
Christianity doesn't need scientific facts to believe something is fact. The whole religion, like most all religions is based on faith. Not bashing, just a fact about the facts.
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Old 10-12-2013, 12:33 PM   #108
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Christianity doesn't need scientific facts to believe something is fact. The whole religion, like most all religions is based on faith. Not bashing, just a fact about the facts.
We have the facts, but these facts get changed by our ever moving scientific community. Todays facts are tomorrows laughs, it's just science bro.
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Old 10-12-2013, 01:10 PM   #109
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Christianity doesn't need scientific facts to believe something is fact. The whole religion, like most all religions is based on faith. Not bashing, just a fact about the facts.
Oh I agree 100%. Which is why I pointed out that a lack of corroborating evidence doesn't in any way invalidate the Gospels or mean they AREN'T based in actual historical events and the life of one particular Jesus of Nazareth. I just don't like it when people feel the need to "stretch" the truth and say we have all this evidence that we certainly don't have.
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Nope. Everything I stated is accepted fact. But as I said, just because we don't have much in the way of corroborating evidence that there was one particular person who fits the Biblical narrative of Jesus doesn't at all mean that person didn't exist. It just means that (as BRC points out) a bit of FAITH is required of the believers.
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Sort of. Christmas and Easter are the mid-winter and spring festivals that most agricultural societies have. The mid winter festival was to celebrate winter being half way over and also a way to eat up all the stores of things that would spoil before spring came.

Spring festival of course is the celebration of the return of spring and the beginning of the agricultural work for the year with the flowering of the winter grains that were planted in the fall. It basically celebrated that the season of starvation was over.

There are also fall harvest festivals when the harvest was in and the animals that you wouldn't keep over the winter were slaughtered.
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Old 10-12-2013, 01:50 PM   #112
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They could produce time-travel-gathered videotape evidence of Jesus's non-existence and it wouldn't matter one bit. Many Christians - myself included - believe the Bible to be metaphorical, with the message being far more important than the historical accuracy, and the message has stood up for 2,000 very turbulent years.
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Old 10-12-2013, 03:03 PM   #113
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Wow, you think so? I'd have to strongly argue that if Jesus never existed the religion has zero credibility. If h existed and didn't et executed and rise, it's also not credible.
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Old 10-12-2013, 05:00 PM   #116
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They could produce time-travel-gathered videotape evidence of Jesus's non-existence and it wouldn't matter one bit. Many Christians - myself included - believe the Bible to be metaphorical, with the message being far more important than the historical accuracy, and the message has stood up for 2,000 very turbulent years.
Man will continue to twist and fabricate things to try and alter the truth.
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Wow, you think so? I'd have to strongly argue that if Jesus never existed the religion has zero credibility. If h existed and didn't et executed and rise, it's also not credible.
I don't think that's true. There is wisdom in the Bible. I see it as, if nothing else, a search for truth and a record of moral exploration. Even if these guys are correct and Jesus is entirely made up, even if he was created to control people as they say, there are concepts expressed that are attributed to him that are worth remembering and applying to your daily life. I don't agree with all of the teachings of Christ as written in the Bible. I have some very profound differences with several concepts in both the Old and New Testament. Still I have gleaned what I consider to be worthwhile.
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I don't follow at all. Of course there are good life lessons in the Bible, as with all religions. There's also a lot of bad stuff like God commanding Israel to slaughter humans from other competing nations.

If Jesus claimed he was God but wasn't, then he is a liar and what's good about lying? It would severely undercut his other teachings if he was waking around lying (or totally delusional and crazy). There's not much redeemable there if true.
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I don't follow at all. Of course there are good life lessons in the Bible, as with all religions. There's also a lot of bad stuff like God commanding Israel to slaughter humans from other competing nations.

If Jesus claimed he was God but wasn't, then he is a liar and what's good about lying? It would severely undercut his other teachings if he was waking around lying (or totally delusional and crazy). There's not much redeemable there if true.
It depends on how you interpret the stuff he is supposed to have said.
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It depends on how you interpret the stuff he is supposed to have said.
I dunno, the stuff about him sitting on the throne with God, or that he would be raised from the dead, or asking his disciples to go tell everyone they know they saw a risen deity. I'm assuming there are only two ways to interpret that kinda stuff: True or batshit crazy
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