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Old 10-12-2013, 04:01 AM  
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:31 AM   #16
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I have asked this before with no reply from either side. I did not follow the previous shutdowns but on the surface it appears this administration is trying to cause as much discomfort to sway the public. Kind of like the silly white tours stunt during the last go around. Am I wrong? Were the previous shutdowns handled the same?
My recollection was that the Clinton/Gingrich shutdown was much more bureaucratic. I don't remember 'heartstring pulling' stories like this time around, but then we didn't have the social media apparatus we do now, so it might have happened and just not gotten reported.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:40 AM   #17
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I have asked this before with no reply from either side. I did not follow the previous shutdowns but on the surface it appears this administration is trying to cause as much discomfort to sway the public. Kind of like the silly white tours stunt during the last go around. Am I wrong? Were the previous shutdowns handled the same?
I think i replied before that 5 appropriations bills out of 12 (instead of zero) had been passed in 1995.

The recent vandalism of the lincoln memorial, and the specter of terrorism (continuing to allow visitors without adequate security) might have changed the calculations this time around.

From a legal liability perspective, im sure they are being advised that there is risk you are taking on by not closing them.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:42 AM   #18
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My recollection was that the Clinton/Gingrich shutdown was much more bureaucratic. I don't remember 'heartstring pulling' stories like this time around, but then we didn't have the social media apparatus we do now, so it might have happened and just not gotten reported.
That is a good point~
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:50 AM   #19
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I think i replied before that 5 appropriations bills out of 12 (instead of zero) had been passed in 1995.

The recent vandalism of the lincoln memorial, and the specter of terrorism (continuing to allow visitors without adequate security) might have changed the calculations this time around.

From a legal liability perspective, im sure they are being advised that there is risk you are taking on by not closing them.
I missed your answer. I hardly followed politics back then. I was busy working and raising a family. I miss those days as I had an "It is America love it or leave it" mentality. I was completely blind to how our government worked and foolishly believed our government was working with our best interest in mind. I still love my country but with my eyes opened I look at both parties with disgust. Two parties and no choice~
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:52 AM   #20
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:21 AM   #21
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I missed your answer. I hardly followed politics back then. I was busy working and raising a family. I miss those days as I had an "It is America love it or leave it" mentality. I was completely blind to how our government worked and foolishly believed our government was working with our best interest in mind. I still love my country but with my eyes opened I look at both parties with disgust. Two parties and no choice~
On that note i can heartily agree.

It is past time for a third "common sense" party that is not accountable to corporations or special interest lobbies.
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:26 AM   #22
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On that note i can heartily agree.

It is past time for a third "common sense" party that is not accountable to corporations or special interest lobbies.
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:27 AM   #23
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We just recently tried that, twice. The Tea Party was quickly swept up by corporate concerns like the Koch brothers, and is now almost entirely on the far right wing. Occupy Wall Street was even more quickly swept up by a cavalcade of left-wing fringe crazies, and is now essentially irrelevant. I hate to say it, but the concept of a moderate, common sense third party is more or less a pipe dream at this point.
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My recollection was that the Clinton/Gingrich shutdown was much more bureaucratic. I don't remember 'heartstring pulling' stories like this time around, but then we didn't have the social media apparatus we do now, so it might have happened and just not gotten reported.
They shut down the National Parks in 1995: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...tdown/2966785/ (second to last paragraph)
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This just serves as a reminder that we are living in an oppressive tyranny...one that allows people to dismantle and carry off federal govt property with no repercussions.
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This guy is surely in a FEMA education camp for this action.
Fema has camps for vets who have multiple limbs missing? I guess you think thats sort of funny?
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Fema has camps for vets who have multiple limbs missing? I guess you think thats sort of funny?
I heard the camps are for re-education. He's carrying off federal property. Dictator Obama will surely punish him harshly for that. I don't know what his limbs have to do with it.
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