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Old 10-12-2013, 03:01 AM  
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Old 10-13-2013, 07:23 PM   #31
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I heard the camps are for re-education. He's carrying off federal property. Dictator Obama will surely punish him harshly for that. I don't know what his limbs have to do with it.
Yeah it really wasn't funny the first time either.
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Old 10-13-2013, 07:25 PM   #32
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I heard the camps are for re-education. He's carrying off federal property. Dictator Obama will surely punish him harshly for that. I don't know what his limbs have to do with it.
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What an asshole.
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Old 10-13-2013, 07:42 PM   #33
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Old 10-13-2013, 07:50 PM   #34
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Yeah it really wasn't funny the first time either.
Wasn't really meant to be.
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Old 10-13-2013, 08:07 PM   #35
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Wasn't really meant to be.
If it wasn't a joke it doesn't make any sense. Maybe you can explain it to us.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:41 PM   #36
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:42 AM   #37
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I think i replied before that 5 appropriations bills out of 12 (instead of zero) had been passed in 1995.

The recent vandalism of the lincoln memorial, and the specter of terrorism (continuing to allow visitors without adequate security) might have changed the calculations this time around.

From a legal liability perspective, im sure they are being advised that there is risk you are taking on by not closing them.
If democrats were willing to pass them, they could have more than 5 of 12 appropriations bills passed now. But the shutdown is too important to them to allow that to happen.
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Old 10-14-2013, 12:41 PM   #38
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If democrats were willing to pass them, they could have more than 5 of 12 appropriations bills passed now. But the shutdown is too important to them to allow that to happen.
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The budget was passed by both houses. Boehner refused to appoint conferees.
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Old 10-14-2013, 12:51 PM   #39
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The budget was passed by both houses. Boehner refused to appoint conferees.
House Republicans have demonstrated their willingness to fund (a) the entire government minus Obamacare, (b) the entire government in return for a few tweaks to Obamacare, or (c) several high profile functions of government impacted by the shutdown (e.g. Head Start, Department of Veterans Affairs, FEMA, FDA, the Washington DC government, etc.) comprising nearly 1/3rd of the government's discretionary budget. Harry Reid refuses to put them to a vote.
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Old 10-14-2013, 01:05 PM   #40
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What bemuses me is that the executive branch doesn't get more flack for what appears pretty solidly to be an aggressive targeted effort to make sure that the shutdown is something that strikes the poor and dependent hardest.
I'm not entirely sure there's a factual basis for this perception, but feel free to elaborate.
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Old 10-15-2013, 03:53 AM   #41
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I'm not entirely sure there's a factual basis for this perception, but feel free to elaborate.
The independently wealthy rely on government services?...
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Old 10-15-2013, 09:22 AM   #42
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What bemuses me is that the executive branch doesn't get more flack for what appears pretty solidly to be an aggressive targeted effort to make sure that the shutdown is something that strikes the poor and dependent hardest.

If there's evidence that it's Cruz's or Boehner's fault that the shutdown means cancer treatment, military death benefits and WIC, more than fighter jets, aircraft carriers, and farm subsidies, please let me know.

Go ahead and fault the GOP for the shutdown, but save a little for how specifically and how cravenly it hurts.

In what way would a government shut down hurt the wealthy? They don't exactly rely on the federal government for much, right?

But they aren't getting the various data that they want -- jobs, etc. that are put out by the federal agencies. But other than that, what exactly would be done to "hurt" the rich, even if someone (Obama I guess) intentionally tried to do that?
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Old 10-15-2013, 09:23 AM   #43
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We just recently tried that, twice. The Tea Party was quickly swept up by corporate concerns like the Koch brothers, and is now almost entirely on the far right wing. Occupy Wall Street was even more quickly swept up by a cavalcade of left-wing fringe crazies, and is now essentially irrelevant. I hate to say it, but the concept of a moderate, common sense third party is more or less a pipe dream at this point.

Neither of those entities were "moderate".
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