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Old 10-16-2013, 11:05 AM  
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Andy blames himself, not Alex, for Chiefs' sputtering offense

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- When you're 6-0 and coming off a 2-14 season, there really shouldn't be any complaining.

There can't be a football fan or scout or executive anywhere on the planet who could have forecast the amazing turnaround general manager John Dorsey and coach Andy Reid have conducted with the Chiefs -- certainly not to the extent of a 6-0 start.

But -- and isn't there always a but? -- there is one small area of concern that even Reid himself continues to address: a sluggish offense.

The Chiefs are 25th in the NFL in offense, chugging along at just 326 yards per game, a remarkably low figure for a team unbeaten this far into the season.

No one is more aware of the offense's struggles than Reid. The offense is his baby.

"Listen, I'm never going to make excuses," Reid said Monday. "That's not how we roll here. But the reality of it is we're a little young, but we have to get better.

"I see some phases we're getting better at. But I've got to do a better job of getting these guys in the right position to succeed. We've all got a little piece of the pie to get things right. We're learning on the fly, but we're going to get better."

The Chiefs likely will have to. Fans in this area have seen this script before. They've seen the Chiefs' teams of the 1990s soar through the regular season on the strength of their overpowering defenses and elite special teams.

Then those fans saw the same teams misfire in the postseason, mainly because the offense couldn't step up and contribute when it had to.

To avoid revisiting that script, the Chiefs must get more production out of quarterback Alex Smith, whose numbers keep sinking.

Smith is 26th in the league in passing yards at just 221.7 per game. He's also 20th in the league with a passer rating of 79.8.

But if you're looking for Reid to point any fingers toward Smith, you'll have a long wait.

Reid knows what kind of team he has. He knows, outside of Jamaal Charles and at times Dwayne Bowe, he doesn't have an explosive offense.

Reid also knows you can win in this league simply by not messing up, and letting the opponent beat itself. The Chiefs are No. 1 in the league in turnover ratio at plus-12, and don't have the appearance of a team that will beat itself anytime soon.

"Not turning the ball over is very important to us," Reid said, "especially when you have a solid defense like we have and the kicking game we have, both from our punter and our kicker."

In that respect, Smith is giving Reid all he needs, even if the offense has that familiar conservative look of the '90s. After all, there is a fine line between wanting more offensive production, and opening the offense up so much that more turnovers occur. Reid isn't likely to stand for that.

"You want to always start off by protecting the ball," Reid said. "There's no fine line there for me. ...

"Alex is doing that. And we need to point out the way Alex continues to manage this offense."

And that is the key in Reid's mind: He simply wants Smith to manage the game, which also includes managing the different personalities in the huddle.

"We've got a guy at quarterback, this kid, he's a stud," Reid said. "The things he does for this team is unbelievable. He's making people around him better. He takes the blame for things -- that's what good leaders do.

"At the same time, he's able to teach and explain to other guys with a clear head. Those are valuable things for us as coaches to see. I'm very pleased with the job (Smith) is doing."

In Reid's mind, let the other quarterbacks around the league possess the pretty passing numbers; Reid will take the ultimate one that counts. That is, for now, 6-0.

Still, Reid also has been around long enough to know that his offense will have to improve as the season wears on, even if it's just incrementally.

And that will be up to Reid himself as the play-caller and architect of the offense, something Reid has mentioned almost every week.

"I think we have done some good things, but we have plenty to work on," Reid said. "I don't think I've done a very good job of putting guys in position to make plays. That has been obvious at times. I have to do a better job."



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Old 10-17-2013, 05:52 PM   #286
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So in other words, 40% of our offensive points are coming on drives that started on the opponent's side of the field.
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:53 PM   #287
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So in other words, 40% of our offensive points are coming on drives that started on the opponent's side of the field.
I'm more worried that we're only scoring on 32% of our drives.
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:53 PM   #288
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I can do that for you.

They had one 8 play drive against Jacksonville, which began on their own 43 and ended in a TD. 57 yards. Longest drive of the day in both plays and yardage. They were handed the ball three times in Jags territory, resulting in 2 TDs and a punt.

The first drive of the Cowboys game went 77 yards for a TD, and the final drive of the third quarter went 80 yards for a TD. They were handed the ball 3 times in Dallas territory, which resulted in two punts and a field goal.

There were two 4th quarter drives against the Eagles that ran 62 and 75 yards for a combined 10 points. There was a 69-yard drive earlier in the game for a FG as well. They were also handed the ball 5 times in Philadelphia territory that day (and a 6th time at their own 45 yard line) but only managed to score one field goal.

There were two extended drives against the Giants, one 98, one 80, both resulting in touchdowns. They were handed the ball three times in Giants territory, which resulted in a fumble, an interception and a touchdown.

They had one 10-play 94 yard drive against the Titans which resulted in a field goal. They also had a 10-play 66 yard drive that ended in a TD. They were handed the ball twice in Titans territory, which resulted in two field goals.

They had two 9 play drives against Oakland, one produced 38 yards and a punt, the other 57 yards and Avery's fumble. Nothing even close to 80 yards in that game. They were handed the ball twice in Oakland territory, resulting in 10 points. They also scored a TD on a 55-yard drive, which could go either way; handed the ball on their own 45, but drove 55...

In any case, now that I look, it's actually worse than I thought. They're not consistently driving the ball, and they're not consistently taking advantage of the opportunities the defense gives them. 18 possessions beginning in plus territory in 6 weeks (not counting another pair that started at the 45), and they've totaled 4 TD, 5 FG, and 9 punts or turnovers.

As far as 80-yard drives go, there were 4. Total. 6 if you count the 70s. In 6 weeks. So one per game.
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:54 PM   #289
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They had one 8 play drive against Jacksonville, which began on their own 43 and ended in a TD. 57 yards. Longest drive of the day in both plays and yardage. They were handed the ball three times in Jags territory, resulting in 2 TDs and a punt.

The first drive of the Cowboys game went 77 yards for a TD, and the final drive of the third quarter went 80 yards for a TD. They were handed the ball 3 times in Dallas territory, which resulted in two punts and a field goal.

There were two 4th quarter drives against the Eagles that ran 62 and 75 yards for a combined 10 points. There was a 69-yard drive earlier in the game for a FG as well. They were also handed the ball 5 times in Philadelphia territory that day (and a 6th time at their own 45 yard line) but only managed to score one field goal.

There were two extended drives against the Giants, one 98, one 80, both resulting in touchdowns. They were handed the ball three times in Giants territory, which resulted in a fumble, an interception and a touchdown.

They had one 10-play 94 yard drive against the Titans which resulted in a field goal. They also had a 10-play 66 yard drive that ended in a TD. They were handed the ball twice in Titans territory, which resulted in two field goals.

They had two 9 play drives against Oakland, one produced 38 yards and a punt, the other 57 yards and Avery's fumble. Nothing even close to 80 yards in that game. They were handed the ball twice in Oakland territory, resulting in 10 points. They also scored a TD on a 55-yard drive, which could go either way; handed the ball on their own 45, but drove 55...

In any case, now that I look, it's actually worse than I thought. They're not consistently driving the ball, and they're not consistently taking advantage of the opportunities the defense gives them. 18 possessions beginning in plus territory in 6 weeks (not counting another pair that started at the 45), and they've totaled 4 TD, 5 FG, and 9 punts or turnovers.

As far as 80-yard drives go, there were 4. Total. 6 if you count the 70s. In 6 weeks. So one per game.
My research was better. Damn Wolverine fans.
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:55 PM   #290
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And where exactly was this my point? I was doing the research. My question was if Alex Smith could lead this team from behind if they were down more than one score.
Sorry I had went back and corrected that to Keg not you.
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:56 PM   #291
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So in other words, 40% of our offensive points are coming on drives that started on the opponent's side of the field.
Thats going to happen when you lead the league in starting field position.

Do they need to score more point? Yes.

Stating its odd we score 40% when we have a short field is also an indication of how often that happens.
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:04 PM   #292
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I don't think this is anything we didn't know. With this defense, put a top 15 ish offense on the field that can score 23 ppg and average a few more good drives per game and were unbeatable.

But it needs to happen quick
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:07 PM   #293
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I don't think this is anything we didn't know. With this defense, put a top 15 ish offense on the field that can score 23 ppg and average a few more good drives per game and were unbeatable.

But it needs to happen quick
Why does it need to happen "quick"?

The Texans offense is awful and the Browns and Bills aren't much better, if better at all.

Are people actually worried that the Chiefs might lose a game or four?
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:21 PM   #294
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People act like every time we get the ball at our 20 we go 3 and out and that's just bullshit.
Instead of the 20, I'll use our 35. Else we'd be limited to drives starting from touchbacks or worse.

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22: 3 plays, 3 yards, safety, 1:03
32: 6 plays, 17 yards, 1 first down, punt, 2:58
24: 6 plays, 10 yards, 1 first down, punt, 3:24
17: 6 plays, 21 yards, 1 first down, punt, 1:51
20: 5 plays, 34 yards, 2 first downs, punt, 3:09
35: 7 plays, 25 yards, 2 first downs, punt, 4:14
15: 3 plays, 3 yards, punt, 1:00
20: 4 plays, 33 yards, 1 first down, punt, 3:08
3: 2 plays, end of game, :41


Cowboys

23: 13 plays, 77 yards, 6 first downs, touchdown, 6:47
20: 3 plays, 9 yards, punt, 1:06
20: 4 plays, 27 yards, 1 first down, punt, 1:25
15: 11 plays, 46 yards, 3 first downs, blocked FG, 1:40
20: 10 plays, 80 yards, 5 first downs, touchdown, 4:01
16: 8 plays, 38 yards, 3 first downs, punt, 3:34


Eagles

33: 5 plays, 20 yards, 1 first down, punt, 2:07
20: 6 plays, 19 yards, 1 first down, punt, 3:19
18: 8 plays, 69 yards, 2 first downs, field goal, 3:07
33: 5 plays, 23 yards, 1 first down, end of half, :56
13: 5 plays, 21 yards, 1 first down, punt, 3:12
5: 15 plays, 75 yards, 5 first downs, touchdown, 8:15



Giants

18: 6 plays, 23 yards, 1 first down, punt, 3:00
34: 3 plays, 5 yards, punt, 2:07
2: 11 plays, 98 yards, 7 first downs, touchdown, 5:38
20: 9 plays, 33 yards, 2 first downs, punt, 4:34
34: kneel down, end of half, :02
35: 5 plays, 16 yards, 1 first down, interception, 2:02
20: 4 plays, 24 yards, 1 first down, punt, 2:16
30: 3 plays, 6 yards, punt, 1:02
20: 14 plays, 80 yards, 6 first downs, touchdown, 9:17


Tennessee

20: 8 plays, 18 yards, 3 first downs, punt, 3:20
21: 5 plays, 33 yards, 1 first down, punt, 2:56
9: 6 plays, 18 yards, 1 first down, punt, 3:19
31: 3 plays, 17 yards, fumble, 1:34
14: 3 plays, -2 yards, punt, 1:15
1: 10 plays, 94 yards, 4 first downs, field goal, 4:00


Oakland

20: 6 plays, 13 yards, 1 first down, punt, 3:28
33: 3 plays, -12 yards, punt, 1;18
20: 9 plays, 38 yards, 3 first downs, punt, 3:51
20: 5 plays, 19 yards, 1 first down, punt, 2:43
22: 3 plays, 7 yards, end of half, :42
34: 9 plays, 57 yards, 3 1st downs, fumble, 5:04
28: 3 plays, 6 yards, punt, 0:52
18: 3 plays, 4 yards, punt, 1:42
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td; dr

44 drives starting inside our own 35

5 last 5 minutes or more
7 end in scores (5 TD, 2 FG)
7 cover 50 yards or more
23 last 3 minutes or less
26 cover 25 yards or less
32 end in punts or turnovers
33 include 2 first downs or less
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Why does it need to happen "quick"?

The Texans offense is awful and the Browns and Bills aren't much better, if better at all.

Are people actually worried that the Chiefs might lose a game or four?
The oline and play makers are better.

But, the qbs are about the same. Brandon Weeden is down right pitiful.
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So in other words, 40% of our offensive points are coming on drives that started on the opponent's side of the field.
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I'm more worried that we're only scoring on 32% of our drives.
Both of these have to be rectified. I wont say immediately, but they should be getting progressively better, not worse.
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The oline and play makers are better.

But, the qbs are about the same. Brandon Weeden is down right pitiful.
I still can't believe you said the Brownies win 11 plus with Hoyer
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:50 PM   #299
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The oline and play makers are better.

But, the qbs are about the same. Brandon Weeden is down right pitiful.
And the game is at Arrowhead, which definitely helps
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I still can't believe you said the Brownies win 11 plus with Hoyer
They were 3-0 in games he started. I believe I said that if he had started the season too.

I believe they could of won 8, or 9 with him.

It wasn't that far fetched. Their defense is very good, a little bit below the Chiefs, cause the secondary isn't as good, and their offense with Hoyer was better than the Chiefs currently. It wasn't that far fetched.

Now? The browns win 6 games, and ill be stunned.
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