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Old 10-16-2013, 02:04 PM  
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Where is your evidence of this? Please refrain from posting apples to oranges anecdotal evidence that you got off Drudge.

George Schwab of Charlotte, who pays $228 a month for his family’s $10,000 deductible plan from Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina.

In a Sept. 23 letter, Blue Cross notified him that his current plan doesn’t meet benefit requirements outlined in the Affordable Care Act and suggested a comparable plan for $1,208 a month – $980 more than he now pays.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...#storylink=cpy




Michael Hood, 46, who lives near Winston-Salem, is another of the Blue Cross customers who is suffering sticker shock after receiving a recent renewal letter.

He and his wife, who is expecting their third child, now pay $324 per month for a plan with a $10,000 family deductible. The comparable plan suggested by Blue Cross for next year would cost $895.27 per month with an $11,000 family deductible. Their annual payment would rise from $14,000 to $24,000.

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My wife and I just got our updates from Kaiser telling us what our 2014 rates will be. Her monthly has been $168 this year, mine $150. We have a high deductible. We are generally healthy people who don't go to the doctor often. I barely ever go. The insurance is in case of a major catastrophe.

Well, now, because of Obamacare, my wife's rate is gong to $302 per month and mine is jumping to $284.

I am canceling insurance for us and I am not paying any ****ing penalty. What the hell kind of reform is this?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...onthly-premium

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Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura are big believers in the Affordable Care Act. They vote independent and are proud to say they helped elect and re-elect President Barack Obama.

Yet, like many other Bay Area residents who pay for their own medical insurance, they were floored last week when they opened their bills: Their policies were being replaced with pricier plans that conform to all the requirements of the new health care law.

Vinson, of San Jose, will pay $1,800 more a year for an individual policy, while Waschura, of Portola Valley, will cough up almost $10,000 more for insurance for his family of four.

http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-wo...osers-bay-area

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But people with no pre-existing conditions like Vinson, a 60-year-old retired teacher, and Waschura, a 52-year-old self-employed engineer, are making up the difference.

"I was laughing at Boehner -- until the mail came today," Waschura said, referring to House Speaker John Boehner, who is leading the Republican charge to defund Obamacare.

"I really don't like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this. When you take $10,000 out of my family's pocket each year, that's otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that will not be going into our local economy."

Both Vinson and Waschura have adjusted gross incomes greater than four times the federal poverty level -- the cutoff for a tax credit. And while both said they anticipated their rates would go up, they didn't realize they would rise so much.

"Of course, I want people to have health care," Vinson said. "I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally."

http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-wo...osers-bay-area

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Health insurance premiums for young people will rise in all 50 states under Obamacare, with an average increase of 260 percent, according to a study released Thursday.

According to a study released by the American Action Forum, post-Obamacare premiums will average $187.08 per month, up from $62 per month in 2013, a 202 percent increase. Overall, states averaged an increase of 260 percent.

Forty-four out of 50 states saw a three-digit percent increase, and in Vermont the cheapest available premium for a 30 year-old male nonsmoker will increase by $332.69, or 600 percent.

http://freebeacon.com/study-premiums...all-50-states/

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After analyzing each bronze-tier plan for a 30-year-old single male, every state saw an increase. Most saw an increase between 200 and 300 percent, with the top five occurring in Vermont, Georgia, Nebraska, Arkansas, and Wisconsin.

http://freebeacon.com/study-premiums...all-50-states/


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"I just got my benefits renewal from Blue Cross for next year and they doubled my rate!" he wrote AL.com in an email. "I was paying $675 for a family premium (2 adults, one 22 yo dependent) with a $1,500 deducible. The new rate for a comparable plan is $1,360 with a $3,000 deductible. Basically they have doubled my costs."

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/10/...why_are_s.html


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Obama thinks that he is making insurance affordable. I just got a letter from my Blue Cross Blue Shield that if I want to keep their insurance it's going to cost me $300 more a month. I already pay $300 a month now and they're wanting right at $600 a month for this Affordable Care Act that Obama has.


http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/...ess-regis.html

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Obamacare Will Increase Avg. Individual-Market Insurance Premiums By 99% For Men, 62% For Women

Based on a Manhattan Institute analysis of the HHS numbers, Obamacare will increase underlying insurance rates for younger men by an average of 97 to 99 percent, and for younger women by an average of 55 to 62 percent. Worst off is North Carolina, which will see individual-market rates triple for women, and quadruple for men.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...-62-for-women/

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"We would have to pay, out of pocket, for all of our prescriptions until we reached that $9,000 family deductible," said Jaynes.

The plan includes three doctor visits, with a $60 co-pay and a free wellness check. But prescription drugs are not covered until Jaynes pays a big deductible.

That's a critical issue for Jaynes because she suffers from migraines but it will cost her another $330 a month to upgrade. She makes too much money to qualify for subsidies.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...ide&id=9288812

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Choosing a state at random, the Manhattan Institute reports that before the ACA, the average 27-year-old male in Arkansas could buy a health insurance policy for roughly $54 a month. According to the White House website, on the ACA exchange, the average lowest-priced plan will be three times more expensive, costing him around $181 a month – a 235 percent increase. If he were to purchase a stripped-down catastrophic plan, it would cost roughly $135 per month, two-and-a-half times more than his current insurance.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...or-millennials


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before the ACA, the average 27-year old woman in Arkansas could get health insurance for around $81 per month. On the ACA exchange she will pay roughly $181 for the average lowest-priced plan, more than doubling her cost of health insurance. If she were to get the $135 per month catastrophic insurance coverage – the cheapest insurance offered on the exchange – it will still cost 66 percent more than her current insurance.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...or-millennials

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Donavan, 41 of San Francisco, is self-employed and buys his own health insurance. Currently he pays $841 per month for insurance for himself, his wife and three young children. Effective Jan. 1, that’s going up to $1,000, with a higher deductible.

Donavan says he voted for Obama in both elections and calls himself a “big proponent” of the health law. He has a pretty calm demeanor and says he was “surprised” by this news from Kaiser.

“I just keep coming back to the name ‘Affordable Care Act,’” he said. “I thought I’d pay the same or less for better coverage.”

http://blogs.kqed.org/stateofhealth/...iums-going-up/

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Tom Gialanella of Seattle, who is self-employed, told Fox News, "my premiums would increase approximately 61 percent. I went from $891 a month to $1437 dollars a month. And also my deductibles all doubled."

The letter from his insurer said his current deductible for his family of five would double from $4,000 a year to $8,000.

Even though that's for the Bronze Plan, the least expensive option under ObamaCare,he says his additional payment of$550 a month will give him a plan that is no better than what he already has. What’s more, it also it carries a benefit his family does not need: maternity and newborn care. Gialanella is almost 60 and makes too much money to get any subsidies.

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It had stunning news. Insurance for the Mangiones and their two boys,which they bought on the individual market, was going to almost triple in 2014 --- from $333 a month to $965.

The insurance carrier made it clear the increase was in order to be compliant with the new health care law.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...are-nightmare/

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The Office of the Commissioner of Insurance has not released information on the premiums but did put out estimates on the projected increase in costs for individuals.

It estimated that premiums would increase 45.48% to 78.11% for an individual policy based on someone's age in the Milwaukee market. Its estimates also varied wildly throughout the state.

An actuarial study cited on the office's website had projected that medical costs would increase 80% by 2017.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/oba...225172842.html
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Old 10-16-2013, 02:08 PM   #2
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Anecdotal evidence is not proof of anything; I'll wait to see what the long term trends are.
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Old 10-16-2013, 02:08 PM   #3
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Old 10-16-2013, 02:16 PM   #4
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Anecdotal evidence is not proof of anything; I'll wait to see what the long term trends are.
I guess we'll all have to wait and see won't we you jackass? They told your dumbass it would have to be passed to see what's in it. Now we're "waiting".

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Old 10-16-2013, 02:37 PM   #5
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Anecdotal evidence is not proof of anything; I'll wait to see what the long term trends are.
Don't forget the blogs...

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no, no they're not. not a single word can be believed on any blog, anywhere.
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Old 10-16-2013, 04:22 PM   #7
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The fight over this isn't done by a long shot. This was only the opening salvo. The news around the shutdown is over, but the news about the failures of Obamacare are just beginning. It's not going to be a drip, drip, drip. It's going to be a flood.

Round two of this fight is just around the corner, and this time, there will be political momentum behind the Republicans as the rollout of this program gives them wheels.
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Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura are big believers in the Affordable Care Act. They vote independent and are proud to say they helped elect and re-elect President Barack Obama.
Yet, like many other Bay Area residents who pay for their own medical insurance, they were floored last week when they opened their bills: Their policies were being replaced with pricier plans that conform to all the requirements of the new health care law.

Vinson, of San Jose, will pay $1,800 more a year for an individual policy, while Waschura, of Portola Valley, will cough up almost $10,000 more for insurance for his family of four.QUOTE]



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And how much did those people who got their insurance rescinded when they got cancer pay for essentially worthless insurance? That's never going to happen again.

How much to we all pay when Vinson of San Jose gets in a car wreck and stiffs the hospital for $200k? Or when Tom Waschura hits his low lifetime cap and stiffs the hospital for the rest?

How much would my independent contractor uncle, who fell off a ladder and lost his job and insurance, pay just to have the same kind of health insurance I enjoy because I work for a large corporation?

How is it that when I bring up that mandates were the republicans' own idea to solve the exact problems above it has about as much chance of bearing purchase in your brains as a lone seed on the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field? "Nonsense, I hate this and so do republicans. Couldn't have been their idea it has Obama's name on it. Thought - fall out of brain like a rock now!"



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Anecdotal evidence is not proof of anything; I'll wait to see what the long term trends are.
Kotter, just fine with being murdered in a place where not a lot of murders happen over the long haul.
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F&ck those people, Kotter's and Suzzer have got theirs.
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:14 PM   #13
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Kotter, just fine with being murdered in a place where not a lot of murders happen over the long haul.
I'll take my chances in KC or DC for that matter, as long as I'm smart enough to stay out of the 2-3 neighborhoods that are responsible for about 80% or more of the demographic statistics that are skewed by ignorance, poverty, and violence.

If your company puts profits ahead of its people, and you are one of the out-liers....yeah, well, sucks to be you. No doubt. But your company sucks even more--which most of us figured out a long, long time ago.
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F&ck those people, Kotter's and Suzzer has got theirs.
The funny thing is we do have ours and we actually care about all the people who can't get health insurance. You only care about people who already have health insurance might have to pay slightly more for it.
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:38 PM   #15
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The funny thing is we do have ours and we actually care about all the people who can't get health insurance. You only care about people who already have health insurance might have to pay slightly more for it.
It's always nice to have a democrat explain to me what and who I do and don't care about while they talk about how they want to spend my money.
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