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Old 10-16-2013, 02:04 PM  
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George Schwab of Charlotte, who pays $228 a month for his family’s $10,000 deductible plan from Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina.

In a Sept. 23 letter, Blue Cross notified him that his current plan doesn’t meet benefit requirements outlined in the Affordable Care Act and suggested a comparable plan for $1,208 a month – $980 more than he now pays.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...#storylink=cpy




Michael Hood, 46, who lives near Winston-Salem, is another of the Blue Cross customers who is suffering sticker shock after receiving a recent renewal letter.

He and his wife, who is expecting their third child, now pay $324 per month for a plan with a $10,000 family deductible. The comparable plan suggested by Blue Cross for next year would cost $895.27 per month with an $11,000 family deductible. Their annual payment would rise from $14,000 to $24,000.

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My wife and I just got our updates from Kaiser telling us what our 2014 rates will be. Her monthly has been $168 this year, mine $150. We have a high deductible. We are generally healthy people who don't go to the doctor often. I barely ever go. The insurance is in case of a major catastrophe.

Well, now, because of Obamacare, my wife's rate is gong to $302 per month and mine is jumping to $284.

I am canceling insurance for us and I am not paying any ****ing penalty. What the hell kind of reform is this?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...onthly-premium

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Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura are big believers in the Affordable Care Act. They vote independent and are proud to say they helped elect and re-elect President Barack Obama.

Yet, like many other Bay Area residents who pay for their own medical insurance, they were floored last week when they opened their bills: Their policies were being replaced with pricier plans that conform to all the requirements of the new health care law.

Vinson, of San Jose, will pay $1,800 more a year for an individual policy, while Waschura, of Portola Valley, will cough up almost $10,000 more for insurance for his family of four.

http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-wo...osers-bay-area

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But people with no pre-existing conditions like Vinson, a 60-year-old retired teacher, and Waschura, a 52-year-old self-employed engineer, are making up the difference.

"I was laughing at Boehner -- until the mail came today," Waschura said, referring to House Speaker John Boehner, who is leading the Republican charge to defund Obamacare.

"I really don't like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this. When you take $10,000 out of my family's pocket each year, that's otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that will not be going into our local economy."

Both Vinson and Waschura have adjusted gross incomes greater than four times the federal poverty level -- the cutoff for a tax credit. And while both said they anticipated their rates would go up, they didn't realize they would rise so much.

"Of course, I want people to have health care," Vinson said. "I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally."

http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-wo...osers-bay-area

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Health insurance premiums for young people will rise in all 50 states under Obamacare, with an average increase of 260 percent, according to a study released Thursday.

According to a study released by the American Action Forum, post-Obamacare premiums will average $187.08 per month, up from $62 per month in 2013, a 202 percent increase. Overall, states averaged an increase of 260 percent.

Forty-four out of 50 states saw a three-digit percent increase, and in Vermont the cheapest available premium for a 30 year-old male nonsmoker will increase by $332.69, or 600 percent.

http://freebeacon.com/study-premiums...all-50-states/

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After analyzing each bronze-tier plan for a 30-year-old single male, every state saw an increase. Most saw an increase between 200 and 300 percent, with the top five occurring in Vermont, Georgia, Nebraska, Arkansas, and Wisconsin.

http://freebeacon.com/study-premiums...all-50-states/


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"I just got my benefits renewal from Blue Cross for next year and they doubled my rate!" he wrote AL.com in an email. "I was paying $675 for a family premium (2 adults, one 22 yo dependent) with a $1,500 deducible. The new rate for a comparable plan is $1,360 with a $3,000 deductible. Basically they have doubled my costs."

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/10/...why_are_s.html


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Obama thinks that he is making insurance affordable. I just got a letter from my Blue Cross Blue Shield that if I want to keep their insurance it's going to cost me $300 more a month. I already pay $300 a month now and they're wanting right at $600 a month for this Affordable Care Act that Obama has.


http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/...ess-regis.html

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Obamacare Will Increase Avg. Individual-Market Insurance Premiums By 99% For Men, 62% For Women

Based on a Manhattan Institute analysis of the HHS numbers, Obamacare will increase underlying insurance rates for younger men by an average of 97 to 99 percent, and for younger women by an average of 55 to 62 percent. Worst off is North Carolina, which will see individual-market rates triple for women, and quadruple for men.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...-62-for-women/

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"We would have to pay, out of pocket, for all of our prescriptions until we reached that $9,000 family deductible," said Jaynes.

The plan includes three doctor visits, with a $60 co-pay and a free wellness check. But prescription drugs are not covered until Jaynes pays a big deductible.

That's a critical issue for Jaynes because she suffers from migraines but it will cost her another $330 a month to upgrade. She makes too much money to qualify for subsidies.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...ide&id=9288812

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Choosing a state at random, the Manhattan Institute reports that before the ACA, the average 27-year-old male in Arkansas could buy a health insurance policy for roughly $54 a month. According to the White House website, on the ACA exchange, the average lowest-priced plan will be three times more expensive, costing him around $181 a month – a 235 percent increase. If he were to purchase a stripped-down catastrophic plan, it would cost roughly $135 per month, two-and-a-half times more than his current insurance.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...or-millennials


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before the ACA, the average 27-year old woman in Arkansas could get health insurance for around $81 per month. On the ACA exchange she will pay roughly $181 for the average lowest-priced plan, more than doubling her cost of health insurance. If she were to get the $135 per month catastrophic insurance coverage – the cheapest insurance offered on the exchange – it will still cost 66 percent more than her current insurance.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...or-millennials

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Donavan, 41 of San Francisco, is self-employed and buys his own health insurance. Currently he pays $841 per month for insurance for himself, his wife and three young children. Effective Jan. 1, that’s going up to $1,000, with a higher deductible.

Donavan says he voted for Obama in both elections and calls himself a “big proponent” of the health law. He has a pretty calm demeanor and says he was “surprised” by this news from Kaiser.

“I just keep coming back to the name ‘Affordable Care Act,’” he said. “I thought I’d pay the same or less for better coverage.”

http://blogs.kqed.org/stateofhealth/...iums-going-up/

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Tom Gialanella of Seattle, who is self-employed, told Fox News, "my premiums would increase approximately 61 percent. I went from $891 a month to $1437 dollars a month. And also my deductibles all doubled."

The letter from his insurer said his current deductible for his family of five would double from $4,000 a year to $8,000.

Even though that's for the Bronze Plan, the least expensive option under ObamaCare,he says his additional payment of$550 a month will give him a plan that is no better than what he already has. What’s more, it also it carries a benefit his family does not need: maternity and newborn care. Gialanella is almost 60 and makes too much money to get any subsidies.

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It had stunning news. Insurance for the Mangiones and their two boys,which they bought on the individual market, was going to almost triple in 2014 --- from $333 a month to $965.

The insurance carrier made it clear the increase was in order to be compliant with the new health care law.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...are-nightmare/

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The Office of the Commissioner of Insurance has not released information on the premiums but did put out estimates on the projected increase in costs for individuals.

It estimated that premiums would increase 45.48% to 78.11% for an individual policy based on someone's age in the Milwaukee market. Its estimates also varied wildly throughout the state.

An actuarial study cited on the office's website had projected that medical costs would increase 80% by 2017.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/oba...225172842.html
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:42 PM   #16
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It's always nice to have a democrat explain to me what and who I do and don't care about while they talk about how they want to spend my money.
Your own words and posts have made it abundantly clear, Sir Brown-white chocolate on the inside, boy-M&M, sir!!!
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:48 AM   #17
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Looks like the insurance companies are going to screw everyone they can to make sure their profit margin stays intact. This is why requiring everyone to buy their product with no price controls was a bad idea. This is oligopolistic now. Maybe pelosi shouldnt have just allowed the head insurance lobbyist to borrow the 1993 heritage organization's plan and modify it to their liking

This was the republican plan until they abandoned it when obama picked it. Thats why they still dont have a good answer for what their alternative is at this point. Of course, in 93' the insurance lobby put their chips in only on the republican side to just altogether try to stop any legislation. This time they were much smarter and realized the cash grab that was available if they switched.
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:52 AM   #18
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Looks like the insurance companies are going to screw everyone they can to make sure their profit margin stays intact. This is why requiring everyone to buy their product with no price controls was a bad idea. This is oligopolistic now. Maybe pelosi shouldnt have just allowed the head insurance lobbyist to borrow the 1993 heritage organization's plan and modify it to their liking

This was the republican plan until they abandoned it when obama picked it. Thats why they still dont have a good answer for what their alternative is at this point. Of course, in 93' the insurance lobby put their chips in only on the republican side to just altogether try to stop any legislation. This time they were much smarter and realized the cash grab that was available if they switched.
This. One million times this.
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Old 10-17-2013, 07:16 AM   #19
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Looks like the insurance companies are going to screw everyone they can to make sure their profit margin stays intact. This is why requiring everyone to buy their product with no price controls was a bad idea. This is oligopolistic now. Maybe pelosi shouldnt have just allowed the head insurance lobbyist to borrow the 1993 heritage organization's plan and modify it to their liking

This was the republican plan until they abandoned it when obama picked it. Thats why they still dont have a good answer for what their alternative is at this point. Of course, in 93' the insurance lobby put their chips in only on the republican side to just altogether try to stop any legislation. This time they were much smarter and realized the cash grab that was available if they switched.
Yes, the only good thing that can come from this is that people will realize how much we get ****ed on our medical expenses and hopefully that will drive the push to single payor.
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Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura are big believers in the Affordable Care Act. They vote independent and are proud to say they helped elect and re-elect President Barack Obama.

Yet, like many other Bay Area residents who pay for their own medical insurance, they were floored last week when they opened their bills: Their policies were being replaced with pricier plans that conform to all the requirements of the new health care law.

Vinson, of San Jose, will pay $1,800 more a year for an individual policy, while Waschura, of Portola Valley, will cough up almost $10,000 more for insurance for his family of four.

http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-wo...osers-bay-area

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But people with no pre-existing conditions like Vinson, a 60-year-old retired teacher, and Waschura, a 52-year-old self-employed engineer, are making up the difference.

"I was laughing at Boehner -- until the mail came today," Waschura said, referring to House Speaker John Boehner, who is leading the Republican charge to defund Obamacare.

"I really don't like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this. When you take $10,000 out of my family's pocket each year, that's otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that will not be going into our local economy."

Both Vinson and Waschura have adjusted gross incomes greater than four times the federal poverty level -- the cutoff for a tax credit. And while both said they anticipated their rates would go up, they didn't realize they would rise so much.

"Of course, I want people to have health care," Vinson said. "I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally."

laughing at these blind sheep and several others...
who did the jack leg think was going to pay for it?
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Old 10-17-2013, 11:08 AM   #22
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Yes, the only good thing that can come from this is that people will realize how much we get ****ed on our medical expenses and hopefully that will drive the push to single payor.
I, for one, will welcome $8.00 gasoline for "free" healthcare.
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Remember we must never think about the millions people who were out in the cold and can get insurance now. This is ONLY about anecdotal stories of people who already have insurance having to pay more for various reasons (one being their insurance really sucked before). I got mine jack get your hands off of my stack. Cruz 2016!
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It's not free. Payroll taxes would be used to cover it (think expanded medicare).
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It's not free. Payroll taxes would be used to cover it (think expanded medicare).
So, you propose raising taxes on ALL level of wage earners to pay for single payer HC?
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Remember we must never think about the millions people who were out in the cold and can get insurance now. This is ONLY about anecdotal stories of people who already have insurance having to pay more for various reasons (one being their insurance really sucked before). I got mine jack get your hands off of my stack. Cruz 2016!
I was under the impression that we already had a system in place to provide health care for people who couldn't afford it? Medicaid rings a bell.
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So, you propose raising taxes on ALL level of wage earners to pay for single payer HC?
Yes. On a net basis, it would be a positive for the economy as we spend way too much for health care currently.
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Yes. On a net basis, it would be a positive for the economy as we spend way too much for health care currently.
Interesting. So you would support a tax increase on "the poor" and middle class. It's a shame that that is anathema to other liberals.
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Interesting. So you would support a tax increase on "the poor" and middle class. It's a shame that that is anathema to other liberals.
Provided that tax pays for single payor health care, yea. An increase in the income tax? No.
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Interesting. So you would support a tax increase on "the poor" and middle class. It's a shame that that is anathema to other liberals.
I think Simpson-Bowles idea of broadening the base lowering the rates and getting rid of loopholes could be the best way to go.

But the B*sh tax cuts were the ones that knocked a lot of lower income working people off the tax rolls and gave them more tax credits.

I think lower income working people could pay some income tax, even if not so much. But once the B*sh tax cuts pass, it is pretty much impossible to do anything like that politically unless it was very conspicuously a bipartisan effort that would not become the source of dishonest political campaigning.

GOP should not complain about lower income working people paying little or no income tax. The B*sh tax cuts did it and it is its own poison pill for doing anything about it.
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