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Old 11-15-2013, 08:55 AM  
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Why liberals are panicked about Obamacare

Why liberals are panicked about Obamacare
By Charles Krauthammer


“Even if it takes a change to the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they got.”

— Bill Clinton, Nov. 12



So the former president asserts that the current president continues to dishonor his “you like your plan, you can keep your plan” pledge. And he calls for the Affordable Care Act to be changed, despite furious White House resistance to the very idea.

Coming from the dean of the Democratic Party, this one line marked the breaching of the dam. It legitimized the brewing rebellion of panicked Democrats against Obamacare. Within hours, that rebellion went loudly public. By Thursday, President Obama had been forced into a rear-guard holding action, asking insurers to grant a one-year extension of current plans.

The damage to the Obama presidency, however, is already done. His approval rating has fallen to 39 percent, his lowest ever. And, for the first time, a majority considers him untrustworthy. That bond is not easily repaired.

At stake, however, is more than the fate of one presidency or of the current Democratic majority in the Senate. At stake is the new, more ambitious, social-democratic brand of American liberalism introduced by Obama, of which Obamacare is both symbol and concrete embodiment.

Precisely when the GOP was returning to a more constitutionalist conservatism committed to reforming, restructuring and reining in the welfare state (see, for example, the Paul Ryan Medicare reform passed by House Republicans with near-unanimity), Obama offered a transformational liberalism designed to expand the role of government, enlarge the welfare state and create yet more new entitlements (see, for example, his call for universal preschool in his most recent State of the Union address).

The centerpiece of this vision is, of course, Obamacare, the most sweeping social reform in the past half-century, affecting one-sixth of the economy and directly touching the most vital area of life of every citizen.

As the only socially transformational legislation in modern American history to be enacted on a straight party-line vote, Obamacare is wholly owned by the Democrats. Its unraveling would catastrophically undermine their underlying ideology of ever-expansive central government providing cradle-to-grave care for an ever-grateful citizenry.

For four years, this debate has been theoretical. Now it’s real. And for Democrats, it’s a disaster.

It begins with the bungled rollout. If Washington can’t even do the Web site — the literal portal to this brave new world — how does it propose to regulate the vast ecosystem of American medicine?

Beyond the competence issue is the arrogance. Five million freely chosen, freely purchased, freely renewed health-care plans are summarily canceled. Why? Because they don’t meet some arbitrary standard set by the experts in Washington.

For all his news conference gyrations about not deliberately deceiving people with his “if you like it” promise, the law Obama so triumphantly gave us allows you to keep your plan only if he likes it. This is life imitating comedy — that old line about a liberal being someone who doesn’t care what you do as long as it’s mandatory.

Lastly, deception. The essence of the entitlement state is government giving away free stuff. Hence Obamacare would provide insurance for 30 million uninsured, while giving everybody tons of free medical services — without adding “one dime to our deficits,” promised Obama.

This being inherently impossible, there had to be a catch. Now we know it: hidden subsidies. Toss millions of the insured off their plans and onto the Obamacare “exchanges,” where they would be forced into more expensive insurance packed with coverage they don’t want and don’t need — so that the overcharge can be used to subsidize others.

The reaction to the incompetence, arrogance and deception has ranged from ridicule to anger. But more is in jeopardy than just panicked congressional Democrats. This is the signature legislative achievement of the Obama presidency, the embodiment of his new entitlement-state liberalism. If Obamacare goes down, there will be little left of its underlying ideology.

Perhaps it won’t go down. Perhaps the Web portal hums beautifully on Nov. 30. Perhaps they’ll find a way to restore the canceled policies without wrecking the financial underpinning of the exchanges.

Perhaps. The more likely scenario, however, is that Obamacare does fail. It either fails politically, renounced by a wide consensus that includes a growing number of Democrats, or it succumbs to the financial complications (the insurance “death spiral”) of the very amendments desperately tacked on to save it.

If it does fail, the effect will be historic. Obamacare will take down with it more than Mary Landrieu and Co. It will discredit Obama’s new liberalism for years to come.
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Old 11-15-2013, 09:03 AM   #2
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Old 11-15-2013, 10:28 AM   #3
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The operative (bolded) part is why I don't think the Democrats have any winning strategy here.

They sold Obamacare as "You can keep your plan, nothing will change, and we might even save you some money". It was a barefaced lie from the start. Their objective was to force those who were already covered to pay big increases in their premiums to finance everyone else.

They couldn't have sold it to the American people that way, and that's why people are so angry. It wasn't even bait and switch, it was fraud.

In politics, you can't recover from a loss of trustworthiness very easily. Certainly not after already being on a string of 6 years of failure.
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Old 11-15-2013, 10:37 AM   #4
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What's so brilliant about it? Liberalism is doing great, especially electorally, and it was Beltway Republicans - read NeoCons - like Charles Krauthammer that allowed it to flourish by (1) embracing massive immigration and (2) supporting the Iraq War. Both of those actions killed the modern day party and splintered it off into various groups (Tea Party, etc etc).


If anything Liberals can continue to say "At least we have a plan to insure the uninsured." The GOP still hasn't addressed how they would/could. And they won't because they have no idea what they believe on this topic.
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Old 11-15-2013, 10:51 AM   #5
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Most liberals aren't panicked, it's conservative D's from right leaning states.

But feel free to continue the way the **** too early Obamacare is a failure drumbeat, however.
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Old 11-15-2013, 10:53 AM   #6
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Old 11-15-2013, 10:55 AM   #7
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I think all of this brouhaha will die down once the death panels are up and running.
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:07 AM   #8
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Most liberals aren't panicked, it's conservative D's from right leaning states.

But feel free to continue the way the **** too early Obamacare is a failure drumbeat, however.
Indeed. I'm looking forward to seeing how bad it is really going to get.
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:09 AM   #9
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I think all of this brouhaha will die down once the death panels are up and running.
Well, certain people did warn that the "if you like your plan, you can keep it" was a lie. Is it really that big of a stretch to accept that rationed care is in the future if Obamacare lives?
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What's so brilliant about it? Liberalism is doing great, especially electorally, and it was Beltway Republicans - read NeoCons - like Charles Krauthammer that allowed it to flourish by (1) embracing massive immigration and (2) supporting the Iraq War. Both of those actions killed the modern day party and splintered it off into various groups (Tea Party, etc etc).


If anything Liberals can continue to say "At least we have a plan to insure the uninsured." The GOP still hasn't addressed how they would/could. And they won't because they have no idea what they believe on this topic.
At what point do lefties understand they have a role in the failure and invoking these tired bullshit labels for everything like insert neocon here does not work?

Blame those who passed it. And those who lied over and over. Droping neocon teparty rwnj rich old white gunowning whatervs would advance the democrats message

And to your weak ass point dems have a plan to insure the uninsured....are you drunk? 5000000 people have no coverage who had it. 27000 have enrolled in Oc. And even dem leaders admit that there will be a slug of uninsured no matter what. Dems have a soft turd in their hand and you cant sell it as hot chocolate
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Well, certain people did warn that the "if you like your plan, you can keep it" was a lie. Is it really that big of a stretch to accept that rationed care is in the future if Obamacare lives?
So in a world where Medicare pays the freight for most at end of life, how exactly does the existence or non-existence of Obamacare matter on the question of rationed care?

Do you think that Obamacare prevents some kind of utopian market based solution that provides universal health treatment for all that need it?

Explain that please.
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Sounds like house dems are jumping ship. obama must be peeved
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So in a world where Medicare pays the freight for most at end of life, how exactly does the existence or non-existence of Obamacare matter on the question of rationed care?

Do you think that Obamacare prevents some kind of utopian market based solution that provides universal health treatment for all that need it?

Explain that please.
Are you of the opinion that health care will not be rationed under Obamacare?
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Sounds like house dems are jumping ship. obama must be peeved
It will be interesting to see what crazy Harry dies now.
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