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Old 10-17-2013, 01:46 AM  
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Is the Republican Party the thing of the past? Doom and Gloom

I'll give the democrats this, they have a brilliant approach to guarantee a long career in politics. They won't be beaten again.

Keys to victory:
-Own the mainstream media. CNN, MSNBC etc
-Own the national news papers. NYT, Washington Post etc
-Own the online "news" like Yahoo News and other popular online news sites.
-Own Hollywood

This creates propaganda 24x7.

-Own the uninformed voter that cares more about voting based on race or their own personal agenda's instead of what's better for the country.

-Black vote is heavy Obama for the simple reason: he is black. They own a strong advantage in the woman's vote because of Pro Choice and they revere Hillary Clinton.

-Own the poor vote by sacrificing the upper/middle class by extreme taxes. They are much more likely to turn out because what else do they have to do other than vote. Voting can be seen as their job, because if they don't vote, their handouts can get taken away or altered. They are also moving a lot of the middle class into the poor class, thus increasing their voting pool.

-Own the Hispanic vote by opening the floodgates along the southern border no matter how damaging this is to the economy. This vote will only get larger.

-Own the younger vote by putting extreme leftist in colleges to pollute young, impressionable minds.

-Buy votes with special treatment. Obamacare is hated by the country, yet they depend on the unions so they pass exemptions for them. Oh, don't want their own party in congress to start questioning it, so they pass exemptions for them.


Their tactics are sickening, but brilliant. No way can the Republicans or any potential party compete with the propaganda machine, free handouts and illegal immigrants amnesty. I honestly can't see the Republicans ever winning another presidential election and after this latest f up, I don't see them controlling the house/senate anytime soon.

Never has a President been able to and excused for lying as much as Obama. Never have I seen a President continue to convince people that it's OK to spend up to 1/4 of your income on healthcare, where no where in the world spends more than 4% of their income on healthcare. I sat and watched a young democrat college student at a very prominent school beg to be taxed 60% of her income or more. Are you effing stupid I thought?

I think there is more likely to be a civil war, complete collapse of the US or the red states seceding before republicans control the white house again, not unless things change significantly.

As an American, I am terrified. Regardless of political affiliation, you should be to.

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Old 10-17-2013, 04:44 PM   #61
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What happened is dozens of violations regarding custody of funds from a variety of different firms in different lines of business.
There are already laws on the books dealing with that. There are already federal laws on the books dealing with that, let alone state law and Bar regs.

Once again, rather than enforce tailored restrictions already around to deal with the problem, they took out a shotgun and blew holes in anything that could remotely be considered a contributing factor.

It's SOP for federal regulatory agencies and it's why we damn sure shouldn't have been making more of them.
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:47 PM   #62
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I've read the twice now and I still can't ascertain what (if anything) you are proposing.
Well I really feel terrible that someone who's all in favor of shooting illegals at the border can't get my point.
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:52 PM   #63
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The guy is so stupid, he claimed W won Latinos twice. Why even argue with a cretin like that?
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News media exit polls on election night reported Bush winning 44 percent of Hispanics this year, a startling nine percentage-point jump from 2000. S
Ok I worded it wrong. I meant hispanics gave Bush the White House twice. If they voted the way they voted in 2008 or 2012 Bush wouldn't have on either time. Bush did surprisingly well with hispanics and was rising. Then racist wingnuts like you hijacked the party and shot yourselves in the foot in the process.

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Hispanics constituted 10 percent of the electorate this year. If Mitt Romney had received the 44 percent of the Hispanic vote that George W. Bush obtained in 2004, he’d be moving into the White House in January. In key swing states, the Hispanic vote was crushing: 58 to 40 in Florida, 87 to 10 in Colorado, 80 to 17 in Nevada, and 66 to 31 in Virginia. Republicans were clobbered among Hispanics because the Republican primary electorate rewarded candidates for bellicosity regarding illegal immigration. In the midst of discussions of border guards, moats, and “self-deportation” during the Republican primaries, there was precious little appreciation for the contributions of legal Hispanics to American life and culture. The Republican convention showcased some of the talented Hispanics in the party, but it wasn’t enough to overcome the harsh negativity of the primary season. Even Asian voters appear to have been alienated by the Republican tone, giving Obama 73 percent of their votes.
And this is the National Review - the conservative standard bearer. But I'm sure to you they're just another member of the liberal MSM.

Here's Rany talking about how the republicans scared off Muslims too. http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2012/...op-and-me.html

But yeah, definitely keep getting more extreme. Maybe you can find a way to limit the vote to just scared racist midwestern and southern white guys.

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Old 10-17-2013, 11:30 PM   #64
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What options did they have?

For most of the administration they've wielded no hammer at all. And when they get one, the President still refuses to come to the table.

This argument was stupid from both sides. The Democrats have done little but ensure that this bill will face attack every single time the Republicans have any shred of authority. If they ever get a lot of it (and all it takes is one bad candidate from the Ds and one good one from the Rs; again - voters are fickle), the ACA may be gone altogether.

They'll either fight for eternity or eventually come to the consensus they should've been working towards from day 1.

Both sides have been pigheaded here but only 1 of those sides really had the ability to make a change. Instead they've followed the route of guys like Cave: "Shut up - we're in charge".

Okay. Works for me. You'd better stay in charge forever, fellas...
Newt Gingrich did it 100 times better than this group of morons, and he did it with an unbelievably savvy politician in Bill Clinton. Gingrich would have run complete circles around Obama. But then, Gingrich wouldn't have gotten shit done because the tea party would have completely undermined his power.

And I don't even like Gingrich. What Gingrich did, though, was negotiate with Clinton a series of wins. Clinton was always going to win, but Gingrich managed to get some things to fall in the GOP's favor. That's what negotiation is. It's understanding the give and take.

Anybody who has ever worked on a deal knows that you're never going to get 100% of what you want. It's business 101. Somebody should pass that message on to the tea party. The Republicans should have made a good faith effort to negotiate and propose counter-proposals. At the very least, they look like they are trying and Obama comes off as a dick. That didn't happen. Instead, they pouted like little children, and in the process destroyed their brand and negotiated an unbelievably shitty deal for the GOP.
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Old 10-17-2013, 11:33 PM   #65
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Like I said, Detox - there is an abundance of absolute pricks on either side. I do think it's fair to say that the D's have done a lot better job of keeping theirs out of the national spotlight. Then again, dictating exactly what the national spotlight shines on helps in that regard.
The Democrats have a bunch of pricks that I can't stand. But they know how to play the political game. The tea party doesn't play the game, and that's going to end really, really badly for the party.
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Old 10-17-2013, 11:47 PM   #66
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I'm not sure that I disagree with anything you've said here.

I'm also not sure that a few of the guys we've tried to get out there haven't been unfairly characterized as exactly the kind of demon you say we can't run again.

Romney ran a friggen liberal state for cryin' out loud. I absolutely believe Romney would've run a very centrist White House and would've worked with both sides of the aisle. But he got cast as a 'RWNJ' as well by the talking heads, who completely ignored his actual record as an executive level politician.

In the end, it doesn't really matter who Republicans put forward as their face - that person is going to get boxed in by the national narrative owned by a very liberal leaning media.
I was pushing for Romney to be President. The liberal media didn't lose the election for Romney, the Republicans lost it for him.

And yes, you're absolutely right and now you see why I am so angry. Romney had the executive presence and negotiation savvy to engineer a deal that would have been a million times better than what we got, even if he let the left have some small victories. Instead, the GOP decided the better route was to fight a battle of principle, instead of a battle of actually getting things done. And so, the tea party rallied and in many cases voted against him.
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Old 10-17-2013, 11:57 PM   #67
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God you are an idiot. Most illegals are out there working their asses off doing jobs Americans don't want. And despite conservative propaganda, they definitely don't vote. They're terrified to come into contact with government for fear of being deported. We've spent 100s of $billions sealing up the border. How much more do you want to spend?

Latinos tend to be socially conservative. They voted for GWB twice. Your party and people like you are finally turning them off so much with rhetoric like this and hostile actions that they're finally turning democrat. Nice work. Do you ultra right-wingers ever get tired of being dead wrong? Just double down on the herp and derp next time. That's the solution!

But of course through magical thinking you get to blame the welfare state for losing the latino vote, instead of your own frothy rage stupidity. Sometime just for fun ask a level-headed well-informed conservative who's not a mouth-breathing tea party retard about this. Illegal immigrants are not part of the welfare state in any significant amount (yes I'm sure Drudge, Rush et al have bombarded you with anecdotal exceptions). They are the backbone of the freaking economy out here in CA.

Step outside the bubble some time. Stop living in fear and hate of anyone not like you.
And I'm the idiot? The problem is not the "jobs" that they are taking necessarily, it's the bankrupting of hospitals, it's the welfare and other benefit for poor people. AND yes, I know for a fact that they get these benefits.

I completely am in favor if immigration, but only for those that actually bring something useful to the country. High skilled jobs that we can't fill. I don't think we should accept people that are going to be a drag on society from day one. The rest of the world doesn't so why the hell should we?
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Old 10-18-2013, 12:49 AM   #68
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The OP is just an updated version of the culture wars that have waged for going on 50 years. That shit's old, and I think most people Gen X and under want the country to move past it.

There's literally no factual basis for any of his allegations. Blacks didn't vote for Obama because of race.... they always vote Democratic (it boosted turnout, but that's a separate argument). Extreme taxes, are you ****ing kidding me? You'd think the highest marginal tax rate had been restored to JFK levels. Max 4% spending on HC in other countries is demonstrably false. Etc.

Also, re civility, perhaps the RWNJs might want to avoid degrading the national dialogue by calling the President a unAmerican Kenyan Muslim usurper. That does drag things into the gutter a bit.
Fact: The only reason Obama won the election is because he is black. Source: US Brookings institute using US Census data. The Black Voter turnout, while heavily democratic through history, reached historic levels for Oboma. If this last Election had the normal turnout for the black vote, then Romney would have won according to the AP. Use google, I'm sure you can verify this if you want.

Fact: Obamacare is the biggest tax increase in history. Source--every article out there. And yes, it is a tax as that is the only way SCOTUS said it was constitutional. And he wants to continue to raise taxes. Who do you think will pay for 33 million illegal immigrants (Democrat Goal to legalize)...the tax payers. More taxes.

And there is nuts on both sides of the isle. You guys seem to have the most vocal though as your entire platform is based on calling people racists for hating Obama, attacking every religion other than Muslims and degrading anyone who oposes you. Source: CNN/MSNBC/Any democrat that gets on TV or writes for a newspaper.
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Its hilarious watching you trying to come to terms with the unpopularity of the Republican Party, and yet still not owning the real reasons. Its all make believe and faux-intellectualism to you. You're so warped in your ideology you fail to see that the Reb Party has become the corporate party who uses conservative religious overtones to try and cobble together a popular party base. How long will it be before even conservative Christians begin to say, "They don't really care about our issues, they just use the emotion of them to rally us to their cause: hoarding money for the rich.

Has it even occurred to you the real uninformed voter might be those religious conservatives who barely make ends meet yet vote against their own economic interests in programs that only favor the wealthy?

Is it possible black people aren't just voting for "the black man" but are voting against eh obviously "anti-black man"?

Is it possible the strength of the actual middle class was in unionized labor and that Corporate welfare programs that favored union busting and shipping jobs overseas has depleted the ranks of the middle class so that it cannot sustain the economic engine of America without going into debt, once again, to rich corporate entities?

That there has always been a large hispanic population in the southern United States and that when you paint all such people as "illegals who don't belong" it will create an eventual backlash?

That college is designed to teach you how to think, not what to think, and that this realization always leads to challenges of the current status quo (also known as conservativism).

That "the country" does not hate Obamacare, only a segment of it based largely on scare tactics from the right. Corporations don't want it. Oftentimes when they show "disapproval" numbers, up to a quarter of those disapprovals are people who believe it isn't liberal enough, in other words, they wanted a single payer system.

There is no real threat of a civil war, not anybody with half a brain believes that. The states with the most economic power are not red states. Most of those states get assistance from the Fed, not the other way around. This is simply a bunch of cry babies upset that the ideology they clung to like religion is demonstrating why it is short sighted and led by fools. But, hey, there's no delusion like self-delusion, opine on.
There is so much wrong in this it's hard to address it all.

1) first paragraph makes no sense as I can't find a point in that rambling.

2) 2nd Paragraph, why are you bringing religion into this? This is one of the most religions countries in the world with heavy religious beliefs on BOTH sides. And I'll just generalize your statement to "people that can't make ends meet that vote against their interests", because it religion has nothing to do with it. If you take your eyes off CNN and understand that the poor/middle class are getting poorer under Obama then I can't help ignorance. Republican's believe in job growth by lessening otherwise heavy tax burdens on employers. It's simple to understand and makes complete sense. Give employers an incentive to hire more full time employees instead of writing a law that punishes them for hiring someone over 30 hours.


3) 3rd Paragraph: The republican party is definitely not "anti-Black man". Blacks that are in the republican party have thrived, yet only to be called a racist term by democrats: Uncle Tom. Go read up on your history. African Americans have been voting for along the democratic line en masse for how long now? Where has that got them. They are poorer now. They lost their family values (70+% fatherless household). Look at every city where a democrat is in charge...how's that city/state doing? How are the black folks in that city/state doing? The ironic thing is that the black community shares more beliefs with the Republican party than they do the Democratic party: Christianity, Immigration, Gay Marriage, School Choice, tough on Crime, supporting entrepreneurs, corporal punishment, small businesses etc. Yet they still vote democrat. Sad.

4) 4th Paragraph: Unions are a huge problem for cities. Look at Detroit. Look at California. There was a huge need for them at one time, but they are for the most part, highly toxic now. I see union workers that are fat, lazy and un-firable. Pretty sad.


5) Yes, the democrats will buy more votes by allowing everyone in, no matter the cost. Republicans see how bad this is for the economy and the future of the country and it will cost them in elections. Democrats don't care what they do to the future as they only care about themselves. Please tell me what letting 33 mil lowskilled workers into your country does that is positive for this country when most of them will be on welfare, food stamps, medicaid from the day they arrive? The hospitals can't keep up now. The states can't keep up now. The country cannot afford it now as we are nearly 18 trillion in debt.

6) Colleges designed to make you think. I agree but they aren't generally, at least politically. There have been so many examples of left wing nuts spreading propaganda by cursing republicans/christians/white people or anyone that doesn't support the far left. There was a KU professor wishing death upon NRA children recently that was suspended. You would never see that from a conservative professor because we have tact. Multiple professors have been in the news for this type of stuff.

7) Yes, the majority of the country does hate obama care. And please let me know how the scare tactics from Fox News/Rush Limbaugh or any other right wing news source get to the democrats that hate it? So your saying that those very few outlets convince your voters in something over the mainstream media (CNN/MSNBC/CBS/NBC), News papers, Oprah, Hollywood etc? That would be a first. How about, people realize that they have to pay a helluva lot more for something now? How about that it's killing full time job creation? How about it is ineffective for covering the poor? (since the provision that required states to offer medicaid to them was deemed unconstitutional). How about that they can't get on the stupid website because of this "glitch" is preventing it and it might take months to fix...oh while they get stuck with a penalty for not. How about people are realizing that Obama said it would cost less than what we pay now, but in fact it's significantly more. How about Obama said we can keep our same doctor, but in a lot of cases, this isn't true. Yes please, tell me more.


8) I never said there would be a civil war. I said, that we were more likely to see one than we would another republican president. And if the red states seceded, then the blue states would crumble. The red states own the agriculture and the oil. They would have better taxes and regulations for businesses so they would move to the red states. The blue states would have better welfare programs so the poor would move to the blue states. The military leans right, but there would likely be a shared military to protect our borders. If there was a massive secession, which there won't be, then the last thing I'd want to do is live in a blue state.

But yes, please tell me more.
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And I'm the idiot? The problem is not the "jobs" that they are taking necessarily, it's the bankrupting of hospitals, it's the welfare and other benefit for poor people. AND yes, I know for a fact that they get these benefits.

I completely am in favor if immigration, but only for those that actually bring something useful to the country. High skilled jobs that we can't fill. I don't think we should accept people that are going to be a drag on society from day one. The rest of the world doesn't so why the hell should we?
So you're ready to break your back picking lettuce in a field 12 hours a day, or washing dishes in a restaurant for min. wage?
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I remember reading the democratic party was soon dead years ago. Neither will happen...
This is different that the regular up/down of the two political parties. The difference is demographics. Why the Republicans openly discuss the demographic death spiral.

Unless the Republicans stop the trend of minorities voting 70% or better they arr done as a national party. They will never win another Presidential election.

I don't think its not reversible. But, they have to stop insulting minorities and women as a basic step to get away from writing off that 70%.
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This is different that the regular up/down of the two political parties. The difference is demographics. Why the Republicans openly discuss the demographic death spiral.

Unless the Republicans stop the trend of minorities voting 70% or better they arr done as a national party. They will never win another Presidential election.

I don't think its not reversible. But, they have to stop insulting minorities and women as a basic step to get away from writing off that 70%.
They will never stop the trend of minorities voting democrat unless the republican nominates a minority. Even then, the mainstream media will call them a traitor and slander the hell out of him. They will lose the Hispanic vote because of illegal immigration.

And the republican party as a whole don't insult women or minorities as the left leads you to believe. Sure there are wacko's along the right just like there are wacko's on the left.
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Old 10-18-2013, 05:22 AM   #73
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So you're ready to break your back picking lettuce in a field 12 hours a day, or washing dishes in a restaurant for min. wage?
What does this have to do with anything? And no, I'm educated and have a great career. However, there are people on welfare that have little to no education that should be put to work.

In some countries, everyone works regardless of skill level. If you are poor and unskilled, then you can grab a broom and start sweeping streets or something. If you are disabled, then something might suit you better. Regardless, to earn your "welfare check", you should be put to work.
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The insidious Democrat tactic of advancing ideas that appeal to women, minorities, young people, and gays is crushing the Republicans.
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Fact: Obamacare is the biggest tax increase in history. Source--every article out there. And yes, it is a tax as that is the only way SCOTUS said it was constitutional. And he wants to continue to raise taxes. Who do you think will pay for 33 million illegal immigrants (Democrat Goal to legalize)...the tax payers. More taxes.
Because of this little lie, people can safely discount everything else you say.

If you believe this B.S., then you are a Rush listening idiot. Oh, and don't deny the Rush, he is the first one to say this B.S.







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