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Old 10-17-2013, 12:46 AM  
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Is the Republican Party the thing of the past? Doom and Gloom

I'll give the democrats this, they have a brilliant approach to guarantee a long career in politics. They won't be beaten again.

Keys to victory:
-Own the mainstream media. CNN, MSNBC etc
-Own the national news papers. NYT, Washington Post etc
-Own the online "news" like Yahoo News and other popular online news sites.
-Own Hollywood

This creates propaganda 24x7.

-Own the uninformed voter that cares more about voting based on race or their own personal agenda's instead of what's better for the country.

-Black vote is heavy Obama for the simple reason: he is black. They own a strong advantage in the woman's vote because of Pro Choice and they revere Hillary Clinton.

-Own the poor vote by sacrificing the upper/middle class by extreme taxes. They are much more likely to turn out because what else do they have to do other than vote. Voting can be seen as their job, because if they don't vote, their handouts can get taken away or altered. They are also moving a lot of the middle class into the poor class, thus increasing their voting pool.

-Own the Hispanic vote by opening the floodgates along the southern border no matter how damaging this is to the economy. This vote will only get larger.

-Own the younger vote by putting extreme leftist in colleges to pollute young, impressionable minds.

-Buy votes with special treatment. Obamacare is hated by the country, yet they depend on the unions so they pass exemptions for them. Oh, don't want their own party in congress to start questioning it, so they pass exemptions for them.


Their tactics are sickening, but brilliant. No way can the Republicans or any potential party compete with the propaganda machine, free handouts and illegal immigrants amnesty. I honestly can't see the Republicans ever winning another presidential election and after this latest f up, I don't see them controlling the house/senate anytime soon.

Never has a President been able to and excused for lying as much as Obama. Never have I seen a President continue to convince people that it's OK to spend up to 1/4 of your income on healthcare, where no where in the world spends more than 4% of their income on healthcare. I sat and watched a young democrat college student at a very prominent school beg to be taxed 60% of her income or more. Are you effing stupid I thought?

I think there is more likely to be a civil war, complete collapse of the US or the red states seceding before republicans control the white house again, not unless things change significantly.

As an American, I am terrified. Regardless of political affiliation, you should be to.

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Old 10-22-2013, 06:31 PM   #121
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The sinister Democrat plot to appeal to women, minorities, and gays by treating them like VICTIMS has gone under-reported by the mainstream media for too long. It's time the country knew about Obama and his Let's not be Bigots Strategy.
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Old 10-22-2013, 06:33 PM   #122
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What you seem to be forgetting is that the GOP went along with all the policies that are leading to their own demise, particularly immigration. If they'd have put their foot down on this outrageous concept of allowing tens of millions of uneducated fools to barge into the country and be immediately swept into the Democrat's welfare and race-baiting family, we wouldn't be in this position in the first place.


The GOP pandered to their wealthy donors who loved the cheap labor. And in the end, it's the mouth that will swallow them whole. So screw the GOP. When the final autopsy is performed, the cause of death will be self-inflicted.
This is probably the best post you've ever made on this site.
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Old 10-22-2013, 06:43 PM   #123
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How exactly do you assess "willingness to assimilate" for new immigrants? Serve them McDonald's and see if they'll eat it? Deport them if they watch soccer? Would understanding the metric system be an act of civil disobedience?
If they've made the effort to learn English, that would be one obvious indicator.
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Old 10-22-2013, 06:54 PM   #124
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So "willingness to assimilate" is just code for "English only, please?"
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Old 10-22-2013, 06:59 PM   #125
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Hrmmm....While i can agree with most of your post, it doesn't change the fact the republicans have a serious image problem on their hands and things like twitter and the internet in general aren't helping.

I'll use my self as an example: I came into this forum and started paying attention to politics a few years ago. I'm pretty new to this game. My family had always identified as Republican, and after learning about the parties and their goals, I thought of myself as someone who leaned towards Republican.

However, after engaging in conversations with Republicans both here and in person, i realized that while I CAN identify with a lot of the republican's ideas and how they want the country shaped, i do NOT identify with the republican VOTER....at all.

So while the Republican party sounded great on paper....after speaking with the actual voters on social issues such as immigration, i had to take a pause...

"whoa whoa whoa.....you wanna do what now?" There was so much ignorance on some of these issues that the party became a complete turn off.

I said to myself, "I simply can't identify with some of these people. I can't call myself 'republican' because we simply do not share the same views on these social issues".

At the same time, the welfare state sickens me. I can't really identify as a democrat either. I made a thread about it and was told that i sound like a libertarian. Maybe i do...but this is a two party race so being a libertarian just makes you irrelevant.

I am not alone in my thinking. Several times on this forum I've mentioned a conversation i had with a girl during the last presidential election.

Again, her ideals and what she valued strongly suggested she was republican. However, she was going to vote Democrat because as a young latin woman, she was completely put off by the republican VOTER.

The way that republicans talk about Mexicans, blacks, the poor....it's really off-putting. So while the PARTY sounds good, the VOTER does not.

IMO, this is only going to get worse.
As a middle aged, upper middle class, Caucasian male, I agree with every single sentiment found in your post. Well, I'm far more lenient on welfare probably, but that doesn't mean I don't believe it to be WAY TOO ****ING out of control.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:02 PM   #126
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So "willingness to assimilate" is just code for "English only, please?"
Nope. I used English as an example because you didn't seem to understand the concept. But let's not sidestep the fact that willingness to learn the native language is certainly a big part of assimilating so it should be a pretty big factor in favor of an English speaking immigrant over someone who only knows Bulgarian.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:17 PM   #127
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Nope. I used English as an example because you didn't seem to understand the concept. But let's not sidestep the fact that willingness to learn the native language is certainly a big part of assimilating so it should be a pretty big factor in favor of an English speaking immigrant over someone who only knows Bulgarian.
No, I don't really get the concept at all. It sounds an awful lot like you're just afraid of people who are different from you. I have no clue how we'd screen out people who "don't want to assimilate." Don't let the Muslims in? the Catholics? Raiders fans?

and BTW, hispanic immigrants learn English at a really quick rate. It's something like 95% of 2nd generation immigrants are fully fluent. Amazingly, minorities are able to think for themselves and they come to the conclusion that learning English is a super cool way to succeed. Like, they do this without government telling them to do so.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:18 PM   #128
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So "willingness to assimilate" is just code for "English only, please?"
You can't succeed in America without good verbal skills and language is the basis of that. I'm surprised anyone would actually dispute the importance
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:23 PM   #129
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No, I don't really get the concept at all.
That doesn't surprise me. You don't strike me as a very bright guy.

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It sounds an awful lot like you're just afraid of people who are different from you. I have no clue how we'd screen out people who "don't want to assimilate." Don't let the Muslims in? the Catholics? Raiders fans?

and BTW, hispanic immigrants learn English at a really quick rate. It's something like 95% of 2nd generation immigrants are fully fluent. Amazingly, minorities are able to think for themselves and they come to the conclusion that learning English is a super cool way to succeed. Like, they do this without government telling them to do so.
Good for them. If they show up knowing English or can otherwise demonstrate a willingness to assimilate, they'd get some bonus points in my immigration system.

BTW, there's a lot worse things than being like me. Being like you, for example.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:30 PM   #130
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Does that really happen very much though? I don't see it happening. I see democrats and their allies trying to make it seem like it happens a lot though by blowing isolated comments out of proportion, misrepresenting them, or making them up.
Yes, I believe there is a faction of southerners and also crusty old white men who often make blanketed racial comments or very strongly implied stereotype comments. These comments do not represent the majority of the party, which is why leaders in the GOP have to be better about dissociating themselves from them. Instead, they seem more worried about appeasing the base and don't address comments that only represent the small minority.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:32 PM   #131
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This is probably the best post you've ever made on this site.
Thanks, it was an excellent post
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:34 PM   #132
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How about supporting the DREAM act for one? How many people on this forum think some high-school kid brought here as a 2-year-old should be sent back to a foreign country to them where they don't know anyone and may not even speak the language? Real humane.

Keep blaming welfare and spouting about Al Sharpton. Apparently one Al Sharpton who makes a little noise every now and then negates 50 years of openly courting Southern racists as a strategy to win elections. Got it.
Well, I'm going to break from you here. A high school illegal immigrant spent his entire life mooching off the public education system. So it's hard for me to consider amnesty for somebody who has pretty much stolen from the public sector for years. I don't like the idea of amnesty without penalty. I'm more sympathetic to a foreigner who legitimately comes to this country, works his ass off in college, and then gets booted because he/she can't find a job that will offer a visa. I saw that happen way too much to some brilliant grad school students.

The rest of your post... agreed. Al Sharpton does not represent the majority of black people anymore than Rush represents white people. And deportation is expensive and in some cases, less humane than some kind of alternative.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:49 PM   #133
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I know, its great, too. But, incase you want to know. I grew up in the midwest, from Iowa to Oklahoma and parts in between. Was a Young Republican, associated with that party through most of my adulthood, and always voted that way until Bush the Second was the nominee. Then I started getting called a "RINO", Romney declared war on us "tyrannous-appetite public sector union employees" and became less about free-enterprise and independent businessman and more about giant corporations and right wing religious social issues. Hardly the "Goldwater" standard I came into it as. So, you keep stereotyping, its what you are good at and you can keep self-deluding yourself as to what the actual problems of your party are. Keep blaming it on "dirty politics" of us socialists and you'll never see that your party stands for nothing for the common man except to extoll him to the myth of "your own bootstraps". Maybe one day you'll take off the ideological blinders yourself and transform the party from within. Me, I just couldn't stand them any longer.
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Old 10-22-2013, 08:22 PM   #134
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The whole, "Republicans are racist" has just become the knee jerk go-to move for so many on the left these days. Seems like a few years ago you'd hear people deny that they did it that much, but I don't see how they could now. It's constant. It's just "RWNJ bigots. RWNJ racists" over everything. And it doesn't seem anyone's even apologetic about it. It's just, "yeah, well...you are." As if it's just synonymous that Republican = racist. Some kind of jerkwater racist redneck. And what's funny is that so many that constantly do that are the first to yell and scream about unfair generalizations and race baiting by the other side.
Constantly using allegations of racism just so you can promote your political agenda makes you not much better than an actual racist. You're just using race as a tool under the guise of a dedication to end racism. It's fake, and I don't see how people wouldn't have enough introspection to recognize it. Or they do and they just don't care.
It's a joke.
Stereotypes suck, huh? You're so PC...
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Well, I'm going to break from you here. A high school illegal immigrant spent his entire life mooching off the public education system. So it's hard for me to consider amnesty for somebody who has pretty much stolen from the public sector for years. I don't like the idea of amnesty without penalty. I'm more sympathetic to a foreigner who legitimately comes to this country, works his ass off in college, and then gets booted because he/she can't find a job that will offer a visa. I saw that happen way too much to some brilliant grad school students.

The rest of your post... agreed. Al Sharpton does not represent the majority of black people anymore than Rush represents white people. And deportation is expensive and in some cases, less humane than some kind of alternative.
What choice does a two-year-old have? "Nah screw it Mom, I'm staying in Mexico." Are you also ok with punishing high school kids for the crimes of their parents in other areas?
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