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Old 10-20-2013, 08:16 PM  
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So when do democrats think our debt becomes a problem?

I'd really like to have someone here explain to me how the current Obama/Democrat philosophy doesn't have us on the Greece track.

Recession recovery failure.
Failure at job growth.
Energy policy doomed to fail our economy.
Obamacare increasing the debt.
All time high for people getting food stamps.

It's becoming apparent the democrats entire goal is to get as many people on government assistance as possible. We all lose.
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Old 10-21-2013, 01:03 PM   #46
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:32 PM   #47
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I would guess as soon as Congressional Rebs stop being obstructionists and start actually trying to enact things that might kick start those very things. And yes, that might actually mean not threatening to block anything Obama and the Dems recommend to make things better.

They've introduced infrastructure programs, financial reforms, veteran benefits, 9-11 responder benefits, small business benefits, minimum wage increases, you know things to make financial mobility more of a possibility for more people and Rebs simply threaten to filibuster.There's a reason this Congress has horrible poll numbers.

But, since the Rebs have decided they are just going to be obstructionists and gerrymandered their House seats into safe districts, they don't have to answer to national condemnation, they simply ignore it to the nation's detriment in pursuit of "party first" policies. You know, so you blowhards can ask seemingly thoughtful questions like the opening post. You guys just want to stroke each other with your Obama disdain because its all you bitterly have left.
Do you believe Republicans invented gerrymandering? Or that it's a response to democrat control of the House under Nancy Pelosi?
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:39 PM   #48
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Why do you go to bat for tax cuts for the wealthy but not the middle class? This makes zero sense to me.
If growth is the goal, and it should be, we should be trying to broaden the tax base (e.g. minimizing tax breaks not related to vital economic concerns) and keep rates as low as possible. That's a big part of what you call going to bat for tax cuts for the wealthy, but it's really going to bat for a vibrant American economy that can support a reasonable social safety net without putting it on a credit card.
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Old 10-21-2013, 04:12 PM   #49
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Do you believe Republicans invented gerrymandering? Or that it's a response to democrat control of the House under Nancy Pelosi?
Oh come on, Gerrymandering has been around since the 1800s. The kicker right now, however, is that America isn't a white majority majority. By the popular vote count, Dems are doing better than Rebs for the house seats. The Rebs have to do this to stay alive as a party. I don't care who "invented it" or what arbitrary "you did it first" line you want to try and pull. The point wasn't that it is happening. The point was referencing the unpopularity of the Reb Party and that the growing demographics aren't giving that party any relief any time soon. Until the party realizes this is no long term strategy to build a brand, they'll have to resort to these type of legislative tricks instead of standing for something a larger percentage of the voting population can relate to.
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Old 10-21-2013, 04:16 PM   #50
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Oh come on, Gerrymandering has been around since the 1800s. The kicker right now, however, is that America isn't a white majority majority. By the popular vote count, Dems are doing better than Rebs for the house seats. The Rebs have to do this to stay alive as a party. I don't care who "invented it" or what arbitrary "you did it first" line you want to try and pull. The point wasn't that it is happening. The point was referencing the unpopularity of the Reb Party and that the growing demographics aren't giving that party any relief any time soon. Until the party realizes this is no long term strategy to build a brand, they'll have to resort to these type of legislative tricks instead of standing for something a larger percentage of the voting population can relate to.
It's only a legislative trick now that Republicans have the upper hand. Right.

If democrats want to draw the boundaries, they should try to win some elections.
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Old 10-21-2013, 04:17 PM   #51
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Oh come on, Gerrymandering has been around since the 1800s. The kicker right now, however, is that America isn't a white majority majority. By the popular vote count, Dems are doing better than Rebs for the house seats. The Rebs have to do this to stay alive as a party. I don't care who "invented it" or what arbitrary "you did it first" line you want to try and pull. The point wasn't that it is happening. The point was referencing the unpopularity of the Reb Party and that the growing demographics aren't giving that party any relief any time soon. Until the party realizes this is no long term strategy to build a brand, they'll have to resort to these type of legislative tricks instead of standing for something a larger percentage of the voting population can relate to.
"something a larger percentage of the voting population can relate to"
Gee,I cant think of anything right now that would qualify as RELATE
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Old 10-21-2013, 04:58 PM   #52
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Why is ther so much disagreement if its so easy.

Republicans probably need to recognize that debt is not bad. Its time to accept it and move on to bigger issues. Dems are prone to support more spening to create a more taxable base. Thats cool. And if we grow the taxable base and increase tax rates its a no brainer

Inflation is old news and according to people like BRC and the nitwit we shouldnt worry about it

Maybe we need to just relax and party like a mother****er

Isnt that what we all want?
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:31 PM   #53
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It's only a legislative trick now that Republicans have the upper hand. Right.

If democrats want to draw the boundaries, they should try to win some elections.
No, its a legislative trick always. You're so sensitive! I'm just pointing out, that is how you are surviving as a party right now. Your crime isn't that you employ these political maneuvers, its that you have to.
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:32 PM   #54
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Why is ther so much disagreement if its so easy.

Republicans probably need to recognize that debt is not bad. Its time to accept it and move on to bigger issues. Dems are prone to support more spening to create a more taxable base. Thats cool. And if we grow the taxable base and increase tax rates its a no brainer

Inflation is old news and according to people like BRC and the nitwit we shouldnt worry about it

Maybe we need to just relax and party like a mother****er

Isnt that what we all want?
I think Republicans and democrats mostly agree that we'd be better off with less debt (or at least a smaller deficit) and more economic growth. The first problem is that democrats think we get growth by transferring money to the lower and middle classes through big government redistribution programs so that they can consume and Republicans think that we get growth by unfettering the productive classes and making American production more competitive with the world.

The other related problem is that democrats want to balance the books at a higher taxation and spending level than Republicans to facilitate their redistribution concerns which are based on their sense of social justice.
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:33 PM   #55
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No, its a legislative trick always. You're so sensitive! I'm just pointing out, that is how you are surviving as a party right now. Your crime isn't that you employ these political maneuvers, its that you have to.
Gerrymandering isn't how Republicans took the majority of our state's governorships. It sounds to me like you're a little confused about what's going on in our political world.
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:37 PM   #56
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We do also need to broaden our tax base. Unless you're going to DRAMATICALLY cut government programs, which there seems to be NO appetite for, then you can't just hit the "rich" for all the cost. They either can't afford it, or you'll break the economy even trying.
You realize even though you use the term 'broaden', you're still talking about raising taxes right?

"Broadening the tax base" is just a dogwhistle for "getting minorities to pay their share". Also it will never happen because it would hit a ton of the republican base (many of whom currently pay no income tax even though they don't realize it) right in the pocket book.

I'd love to see Republicans actually succeed in "broadening the tax base" then watch a bunch of redneck hillbillies in red states freak out because now they're taking home even less money per paycheck. I'm sure they still find some way to blame the Democrats.

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We're not taxing our way clear of $18,000,000,000,000.00, for ****'s sake.
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We're not taxing our way clear of $18,000,000,000,000.00, for ****'s sake.
It's only a matter of time.
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Debt added by the previous 43 US Presidents combined, 1789-2008 was 6.4 trillion dollars. Obama's debt in one term was 6.5 trillion dollars. I think it's about time for these dumber than dirt socialist liberals to wake the F up. You can't keep passing the buck. I'm guessing that none of these idiots that voted for Obummer do their monthly finances this way, so why would you support someone that does?
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